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So, Ted Ginn Jr, right?

August 30, 2016 07:45PM
He had 10 TD's, therefore he must be worth that kind of money? It's not like the volume is so great you can't look at each one of these players individually to determine what that number actually means to the player and their teams both in 2015 and likely down the road.


The most important points I see missing from this discussion are these:

- How did Austin's split production as a receiver and rusher from the receiver position improve the offense? He scored 9 TD's from scrimmage that way, but his total yards from scrimmage still didn't even reach 1,000 yards.....in his very best season and 3rd since being drafted 8th overall.

The answer is, it didn't help improve the offense. In fact, despite Gurley and despite Austin's alleged impactful contribution, the offense in 2015 got worse, not better, from the previous year when Austin Davis and Shaun Hill split time at QB. It added to the frequency of gimmick plays, but that's not a productive approach overall in the NFL. It helped Austin get his TD's, but did not help the offense to gain more yards and score more TD's overall.

-At 5'9", 174 lbs, just how sustainable of a strategy do you think it's going to be to hand the ball to Austin as a runner from scrimmage as much or more than he'll catch it as a receiver? How long do you think he's going to last before he's on IR instead of on the field?

I don't know what the answer is to that, but I suspect it's that it won't be very sustainable. Not only because he's unlikely to hold up physically, but also because even if he does, defenses will start taking it away. Then what? Now you're back to depending on him as a WR again.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  How do Austin's 10 TDs rank among skill positions?

Kind of Blue/Gold1019August 29, 2016 10:44AM

  on how many touches?....vs. everyone else?

SunTzu_vs_Camus410August 29, 2016 03:33PM

  I don't think his contract needs justifying IMO

zn413August 29, 2016 06:00PM

  Re: I don't think his contract needs justifying IMO

BeachBoy400August 29, 2016 06:13PM

  Groh's influence

LMU93466August 30, 2016 05:02AM

  I agree

Atlantic Ram411August 30, 2016 05:28AM

  I think Austin's touches decrease, yards increase

LMU93397August 30, 2016 05:58AM

  Re: on how many touches?....vs. everyone else?

reggae440August 29, 2016 06:58PM

  Re: on how many touches?....vs. everyone else?

zn368August 29, 2016 07:04PM

  Re: on how many touches?....vs. everyone else?

reggae380August 29, 2016 07:09PM

  If you factor in that Gurley didn't have Austin's 8.3 Y/A average

Kind of Blue/Gold440August 31, 2016 08:04AM

  Bingo...

jemach331August 31, 2016 06:57AM

  So, Ted Ginn Jr, right?

9er8er464August 30, 2016 07:45PM

  Re: So, Ted Ginn Jr, right?

TonyHunter87399August 30, 2016 08:06PM

  You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

Kind of Blue/Gold546August 31, 2016 08:50AM

  Re: You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

TonyHunter87404August 31, 2016 10:13AM

  Re: You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

Kind of Blue/Gold325August 31, 2016 11:03AM

  Re: You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

TonyHunter87345August 31, 2016 11:07AM

  Re: You forgot to mention Williams ballooned up to 260 lbs.

Kind of Blue/Gold395August 31, 2016 12:32PM

  He is the Rams 2nd best offensive player

Rams_81361August 31, 2016 02:11AM

  Re: So, Ted Ginn Jr, right?

dzrams363August 31, 2016 07:47AM

  Appreciating the value of actual "analysis"

9er8er375August 31, 2016 05:43PM

  Re: Appreciating the value of actual "analysis"

dzrams380August 31, 2016 07:03PM

  The conclusion is irrefutable

9er8er283September 01, 2016 03:02AM

  By this rationale, the conclusion is irrefutable that Gurley didn't help the offense

Kind of Blue/Gold584September 01, 2016 06:40AM

  Re: Appreciating the value of actual "analysis"

Kind of Blue/Gold245September 01, 2016 06:56AM

  Ginn didn't have 10 TDs until his ninth season at age 30

Kind of Blue/Gold393August 31, 2016 08:47AM

  and with Cam Newton

Atlantic Ram523August 31, 2016 09:00AM

  Re: Ginn didn't have 10 TDs until his ninth season at age 30

9er8er318August 31, 2016 05:48PM

  Re: Ginn didn't have 10 TDs until his ninth season at age 30

Kind of Blue/Gold278September 01, 2016 06:27AM

  Re: How do Austin's 10 TDs rank among skill positions? Attachments

Blue and Gold399August 31, 2016 06:50AM

  How much will top tier WRs be making in 2018? 2019? 2020? 2021? N/M

Kind of Blue/Gold360August 31, 2016 07:38AM

  How is "top tier WRs" relevant in this discussion?

9er8er373August 31, 2016 05:51PM

  The announced pay today

Kind of Blue/Gold233September 01, 2016 06:30AM

  Re: The announced pay today

Rampage2K-260September 01, 2016 08:57AM