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Option B: Unreliable

August 30, 2016 05:37AM
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I assume you're talking about his runs (I don't see anything "gimmicky" about his punt returns or WR play)? Why are they "gimmick-based"? And, more to the point, what's the relevance of that?

I have two guesses. One is that you don't like it stylistically.

The other, more substantive concern might be that you don't think it's reliable.

Maybe you can explain?
It's very much the latter.

You can't build an NFL offense on that stuff that is productive in any consistent manner.

And Tavon is a major proof. People say he has been productive. But, we cannot convert 3rd downs. He has not changed that. Not remotely close to doing so. Sure, we can all remember a few 1st downs. But his impact has made little difference in the league's worst 3rd down offense.

You need actual WR competence for that. And actual WR competence does something else.

It commands the attention of the defense and pulls it toward the perimeter. Defense facing us have a laughably easy task: attack the LOS and get us to 3rd and longer than 4 yards, and you're off the field.

Tavon has made no difference to this. He does not distort defense. Sure, they have to remember to cover the back side, but after a couple of jet sweeps, they become pretty easy to stop. AS A RECEIVER ... Tavon does little, so far as I can see, to distort or stretch defenses.

The argument for Tavon is that he has been the only source of production on a bad offense. OK. True. "Where would our offense have been without him?"

Well, if we didn't have Tavon and went with what we have had, we would have been even worse.

But replace Tavon with a sound, competent NFL WR, and the ceiling for achievement goes way up. You move the chains. You score in the RZ. You possess the ball longer. You force the DBs off the LOS and provide running room for your RBs. On and On.

Tavon does none of that. He just compensates for, I dunno, maybe 30% of what you're missing in a true WR.

Another NBA analogy. The hoops league always has guys who score on bad teams because, well, someone has to score. Then those guys go to a good team and do very little. They had a gimmick that worked in desultory games when the offense had few other options, but the gimmick is unnecessary and inadequate on an offense trying to execute under serious competitive pressure.

That's Tavon. And as long as our FO sees him as a major key to building the future, I have great concern for our team's future.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Austin making No. 1 WR money without No. 1 WR numbers

RamBill1173August 28, 2016 07:59AM

  they sure treat him like one

Hazlet Hacksaw791August 28, 2016 08:39AM

  Re: they sure treat him like one

MamaRAMa464September 02, 2016 06:28AM

  Won't ever be a #1

Blue and Gold525August 28, 2016 09:02AM

  He was never meant to be a #1 IMO...

jemach480August 31, 2016 06:55AM

  never meant to be a #1 IMO.....yup, that was suppose to be Quick

Rampage2K-406August 31, 2016 07:34AM

  winner, winner chicken dinner

Blue and Gold385August 31, 2016 09:03PM

  actually he's not

zn633August 28, 2016 09:27AM

  you define it, then

Blue and Gold795August 28, 2016 10:38AM

  Point is, calling him a "WR" mischaracterizes his role

Suh-weet!616August 28, 2016 11:29AM

  I like your definition . . .

stlramz546August 28, 2016 11:47AM

  Re: you define it, then

Classicalwit565August 28, 2016 01:25PM

  Re: you define it, then

zn549August 28, 2016 01:33PM

  Re: you define it, then

Blue and Gold426August 29, 2016 12:10PM

  Re: you define it, then

zn405August 29, 2016 03:03PM

  Re: you define it, then

Blue and Gold507August 29, 2016 03:26PM

  Re: you define it, then

zn419August 29, 2016 03:44PM

  Re: you define it, then

Blue and Gold409August 29, 2016 07:28PM

  I'm interested to see how Austin and Cooper fit

Hazlet Hacksaw532August 28, 2016 11:34AM

  Re: great points

BumRap452August 28, 2016 09:47PM

  "... the NFL's 12th-highest-paid receiver when it begins in 2018."

Kind of Blue/Gold744August 28, 2016 10:30AM

  Re: "... the NFL's 12th-highest-paid receiver when it begins in 2018."

TonyHunter87647August 28, 2016 10:58AM

  They featured him more and he had a career best season

Kind of Blue/Gold585August 28, 2016 12:26PM

  Agree it may not even be top 30

LesBaker521August 28, 2016 12:45PM

  His speed applies temendous pressure, indirectly impacting defenses

Kind of Blue/Gold543August 28, 2016 01:17PM

  $ 10 million guaranteed

Ramsfan1971572August 28, 2016 01:43PM

  And on those sweeps...

Suh-weet!336August 29, 2016 10:49AM

  This is where we are with Snisher

9er8er603August 28, 2016 01:57PM

  No fair

LesBaker530August 28, 2016 02:15PM

  $30 million Guaranteed

Ramsfan1971544August 28, 2016 02:20PM

  Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

9er8er334August 28, 2016 08:05PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

Rampage2K-456August 28, 2016 08:53PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

9er8er448August 30, 2016 06:53PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

Rampage2K-460August 30, 2016 07:00PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

9er8er419August 30, 2016 07:12PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

Rampage2K-419August 30, 2016 08:38PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

9er8er343August 31, 2016 05:58PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

Kind of Blue/Gold301September 01, 2016 06:30PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

9er8er461September 01, 2016 07:49PM

  Re: Yep, $30 million Guaranteed

Kind of Blue/Gold366September 02, 2016 06:23AM

  Exactly (nm)

Suh-weet!413August 28, 2016 02:22PM

  I think it's perfectly fair

9er8er544August 28, 2016 07:53PM

  He is going to look like a bargain in a couple years...

Rampage2K-565August 28, 2016 08:29PM

  really? that's good...

TonyHunter87337August 29, 2016 10:47AM

  Was having six starting QBs in three seasons good for his development?

Kind of Blue/Gold417August 29, 2016 10:54AM

  Re: Was having six starting QBs in three seasons good for his development?

TonyHunter87393August 29, 2016 10:57AM

  Your opinion in large part has been informed by brutal circumstances

Kind of Blue/Gold288August 29, 2016 11:00AM

  Re: This is where we are with Snisher

dzrams448August 29, 2016 08:15AM

  Re: This is where we are with Snisher

RFL404August 29, 2016 01:45PM

  Re: This is where we are with Snisher

dzrams435August 30, 2016 08:24AM

  No matter how you slice it, it's a problem

9er8er614August 31, 2016 06:30PM

  A profoundly stupid move

RFL485August 28, 2016 08:32PM

  LOL.. just to note...

JamesJM499August 29, 2016 07:50AM

  Re: LOL.. just to note...

RFL434August 29, 2016 01:40PM

  Re: LOL.. just to note...

JamesJM455August 29, 2016 01:53PM

  Agree James

Hazlet Hacksaw445August 29, 2016 03:34PM

  The "misuse" meme

RFL713August 30, 2016 05:44AM

  Chuckle...

DaJudge441August 30, 2016 04:20PM

  Love that vid

LesBaker412August 30, 2016 04:35PM

  The "can't do much more than he's done" meme

Kind of Blue/Gold430August 31, 2016 08:38AM

  Gimmick-based?

Suh-weet!319August 29, 2016 04:53PM

  Option B: Unreliable

RFL555August 30, 2016 05:37AM

  How many TDs would get you to acknowledge you were mistaken?

Kind of Blue/Gold530August 29, 2016 10:18AM

  Karlos Williams

TonyHunter87434August 29, 2016 10:44AM

  Great answer to a question I didn't ask

Kind of Blue/Gold456August 29, 2016 10:45AM

  u were?

TonyHunter87346August 29, 2016 10:50AM

  Which again has absolutely nothing to do with my question

Kind of Blue/Gold401August 29, 2016 10:57AM

  Re: Which again has absolutely nothing to do with my question

TonyHunter87429August 29, 2016 10:59AM

  What does that have to do with the question?

Kind of Blue/Gold467August 29, 2016 11:01AM

  Re: What does that have to do with the question?

TonyHunter87335August 29, 2016 11:05AM

  How about not answering a question with a question?

Kind of Blue/Gold426August 29, 2016 11:23AM

  Re: What does that have to do with the question?

dzrams535August 29, 2016 01:18PM

  Re: What does that have to do with the question?

TonyHunter87448August 29, 2016 01:44PM

  Re: What does that have to do with the question?

BobCarl756August 29, 2016 03:32PM

  Time will tell

wv ram614August 30, 2016 04:46AM

  Re: Time will tell

RFL354August 30, 2016 06:07AM

  To me this is circular reasoning...

JamesJM433August 30, 2016 07:51AM

  Re: To me this is circular reasoning...

RFL502August 30, 2016 08:05AM

  Oh yes, believe me...

JamesJM392August 30, 2016 08:20AM

  young weapons

wv ram409August 30, 2016 12:49PM

  The problem with Tavon

waterfield513August 30, 2016 07:54AM

  Re: The problem with Tavon

21Dog418August 30, 2016 07:58AM

  falling down

wv ram406August 30, 2016 12:58PM

  Jeff Fisher: Tavon Austin was paid based on “anticipation of what he’s going to do”

Kind of Blue/Gold477August 29, 2016 12:47PM

  Paid for 2 reasons

Rams_81439August 29, 2016 05:18PM

  I'd rather he say that it's based on what we have seen rather than ....

no name447August 29, 2016 06:23PM

  I took Fisher's comment to mean

Kind of Blue/Gold578August 29, 2016 06:37PM

  He's yet to be worth the money he got

Blue and Gold346August 30, 2016 08:40AM

  100% agree and i`m a long time Tavon supporter..

PaulButcher59268September 02, 2016 06:29AM

  Current cost of an NFL TD is a little under 900K

LesBaker445August 30, 2016 03:54PM

  How did you figure that out?

JamesJM470August 30, 2016 04:37PM

  I used The Goog

LesBaker339August 30, 2016 05:10PM

  C'mon, Les

9er8er398August 31, 2016 06:01PM