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I've been on record a bit on the QB class,

October 29, 2023 03:12PM
So this won't be much new.

Caleb irks me a bit, personally. But I have to admit he's a winner, with rare talents. He's expected to go after it all at his level when ... simply put ... the Pac 12 is usually not in the running. And in the Pac 12, there have been teams that have developed their program in a way Lincoln Riley has not.

He has decent WRs, but not the WRs that Penix, Daniels, or Nix have. He doesn't have the O line. And their defense is garbage.

Would I love to have him? Absolutely. Do I think he's the best for our team? No. Not with what he would cost or his overall makeup.

Is he going to be really good? I think so. If I can draft him in dynasty I will.

But not getting him is not the end of the world.

The next is drake Maye, who is playing without a sound O line or any decent WRs (Tez Walker just became eligible).

Both guys are losing, but they don't look the same doing it IMO. I like Maye better personally.

Now, I think the thing guys might be mixing here, is the "off schedule, pocket breakdown" magic ... with "Legit speed" and the ability to run.

Caleb does magic stuff when a play breaks down. Can't teach it.

But pleasssssse don't think that Maye is a pocket guy. They intentionally are stopping him from running to protect him. He ran 185 times last year. This year he's pacing about 60% of that, but more so focusing on that near the end zone, hence his 7 rushing TDs this year vs. 6 all of last year. He's a 4.55 guy. He's mobile.


Then we get to McCarthy and Penix. The top two likely for the Heisman.

Of the two, Penix runs the least. Basically not at all, because he had a bad ACL (1, not 2, but 2 surgeries) and also because he simply doesn't need to. Penix is the least mobile of these top 4. But? He may throw the best ball. He has the best back shoulder of anyone Ive scouted in a long time.
He could slip because of medical, because he's a lefty, and because he's 23/24. We may not even have to trade up to draft him, and he has a 178 QBR.

McCarthy I haven't seen this year, but he's most reminiscent of Justin Herbert. Michigan protects him from a ton, so anyone thinking of drafting him is going to have to find ways to make him uncomfortable. He has a plus arm, can move, and has been trained under a QB and O LIne focused coach. the next level won't be too big for him.

After that we have Ewers.

Jayden Daniels may rise, he's playing really good football. Likely 4.40 guy who can beat angles. Good teammate, mature. Also ... seriously ... 204 QBR. 25 TDs to 3 INTs in the SEC. 11 TDs on the ground last year, a little less pace this year with just 5. Had 900 yads on the ground last year, on pace for 800 this year. And he's keeping pace with Drake Maye on pass yards.

Daniels is not my cup of tea, but ... to quote "The Rookie" ... "If I don't call in an 98 mph fastball, I'm going to lose my job."



Anyway ... mostly saying "I don't think we for sure need to go after Caleb."




SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  ok So Now lets discuss Caleb

Speed_Kills806October 29, 2023 11:19AM

  Re: ok So Now lets discuss Caleb

Old Goat123October 29, 2023 11:24AM

  I'm all for Caleb

BigGame81127October 29, 2023 11:24AM

  Ben Johnson would be interesting

Speed_Kills114October 29, 2023 11:33AM

  Re: Ben Johnson would be interesting

ramBRO81October 29, 2023 12:39PM

  Re: Ben Johnson would be interesting

BigGame8171October 29, 2023 02:10PM

  a fanbase?

Speed_Kills46October 29, 2023 02:17PM

  Re: a fanbase?

BigGame8147October 29, 2023 02:21PM

  I don't know

Speed_Kills53October 29, 2023 02:26PM

  Re: I don't know

ramBRO44October 29, 2023 02:34PM

  I don't think hes in it for the long haul

Speed_Kills48October 29, 2023 02:39PM

  Re: I don't think hes in it for the long haul

ramBRO45October 29, 2023 02:44PM

  Re: I don't think hes in it for the long haul

Speed_Kills45October 29, 2023 03:03PM

  I've been on record a bit on the QB class,

alyoshamucci69October 29, 2023 03:12PM

  Bo Callahan from Draft Day

Stafford949October 30, 2023 04:19AM

  Re: I've been on record a bit on the QB class,

73Ram25October 30, 2023 05:24AM

  Re: ok So Now lets discuss Caleb

Classicalwit71October 29, 2023 11:25AM

  Caleb Williams is transcendent player

Speed_Kills63October 29, 2023 11:36AM

  Re: Caleb Williams is transcendent player

21Dog55October 29, 2023 12:45PM

  sorry I mean between Caleb and Mayes

Speed_Kills53October 29, 2023 12:47PM

  it's Maye and they're different style QBs. nm

21Dog45October 29, 2023 12:49PM

  yeah I corrected the spelling

Speed_Kills51October 29, 2023 12:51PM

  he's right

21Dog56October 29, 2023 12:57PM

  Re: he's right

ramBRO45October 29, 2023 01:11PM

  Re: he's right

21Dog44October 29, 2023 01:24PM

  Re: I didn't say he wasnt right

Speed_Kills52October 29, 2023 02:05PM

  one is Mahomes, one is Herbert

BigGame8151October 29, 2023 02:06PM

  yeah I want the one who is generational

Speed_Kills48October 29, 2023 02:13PM

  I think Arizona is getting the #1 pick anyways

BigGame8152October 29, 2023 12:50PM

  no comparison between Mayes and Williams (nm)

Speed_Kills33October 30, 2023 03:49AM

  Let's follow Detroit's MO

waterfield95October 29, 2023 11:28AM

  how many SBs have they won?

Speed_Kills60October 29, 2023 11:36AM

  Re: how many SBs have they won?

waterfield50October 29, 2023 12:46PM

  Are they?

Speed_Kills48October 29, 2023 02:24PM

  Re: Are they?

waterfield52October 29, 2023 03:15PM

  I can respect that

Speed_Kills55October 29, 2023 03:44PM

  Re: I can respect that

waterfield41October 29, 2023 04:03PM

  Re: ok So Now lets discuss Caleb

ramBRO69October 29, 2023 11:33AM

  I should have been more clear

Speed_Kills57October 29, 2023 11:43AM

  Re: I should have been more clear

ramBRO51October 29, 2023 12:03PM

  Re: ok So Now lets discuss Caleb

Classicalwit50October 29, 2023 03:00PM

  Arizona is in the drivers seat

Speed_Kills60October 29, 2023 03:04PM

  Problem is, a lot of teams need a QB

BigGame8149October 29, 2023 04:13PM

  Lets get a O line, across the board too.

Ramgator89October 29, 2023 11:37AM

  Re: ok So Now lets discuss Caleb

303070October 29, 2023 11:49AM

  Re: or let McVay walk

Speed_Kills81October 29, 2023 11:57AM

  Re: ok So Now lets discuss Caleb

Classicalwit64October 29, 2023 12:44PM

  Re: ok So Now lets discuss Caleb

ramBRO59October 29, 2023 12:49PM

  I'd prioritize LT with that first pick

merlin129October 29, 2023 01:26PM

  I’d prefer Penix over Williams, but I understand your point. nm

canadaram38October 29, 2023 03:50PM

  I think you are wrong about McVay but right about Caleb

stlramz72October 29, 2023 08:15PM

  fair enough

Speed_Kills49October 30, 2023 01:12AM

  A young QB does not work with McVay

Stafford959October 30, 2023 02:02AM