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What a clown car

March 12, 2023 02:20PM
Man, oh man, oh man. How far we have fallen from the days of Don Klosterman, God rest his soul. Don Klosterman lived to deal with GMs like Les Snead. At this point, I am absolutely certain that Snead truly believes that Green Bay won the John Hadl trade.

2012
1 Michael Brockers
2 Brian Quick
2 Janoris Jenkins
2 Isaiah Pead
3 Trumaine Johnson
4 Chris Givens
5 Rokevious Watkins
6 Greg Zuerlein
7 Aaron Brown
7 Daryl Richardson

2013
1 Tavon Austin
1 Alec Ogletree
3 T.J. McDonald
3 Stedman Bailey
4 Barrett Jones
5 Brandon McGee
5 Zac Stacy

2014
1 Greg Robinson
1 Aaron Donald
2 Lamarcus Joyner
3 Tre Mason
4 Maurice Alexander
6 E.J. Gaines
6 Garrett Gilbert
7 Mitchell Van Dyk
7 Christian Bryant
7 Michael Sam
7 Demetrius Rhaney

2015
1 Todd Gurley
2 Rob Havenstein
3 Jamon Brown
3 Sean Mannion
4 Andrew Donnal
6 Bud Sasser
6 Cody Wichmann
7 Bryce Hager
7 Martin Ifedi

2016
1 Jared Goff
4 Tyler Higbee
4 Pharoh Cooper
6 Temarrick Hemingway
6 Josh Forrest
6 Mike Thomas

2017
2 Gerald Everett
3 Cooper Kupp
3 John Johnson III
4 Josh Reynolds
4 Samson Ebukam
6 Tanzel Smart
6 Sam Rogers
7 Ejuan Price

2018
3 Joseph Noteboom
4 Brian Allen
4 John Franklin-Myers
5 Micah Kiser
5 Ogbonnia Okoronkwo
6 John Kelly
6 Jamil Demby
6 Sebastian Joseph-Day
6 Trevon Young
7 Travin Howard
7 Justin Lawler

2019

2 Taylor Rapp
3 Darrell Henderson
3 David Long
3 Bobby Evans
4 Greg Gaines
5 David Edwards
7 Nick Scott .
7 Dakota Allen

2020
2 Cam Akers
2 Van Jefferson
3 Terrell Lewis
3 Terrell Burgess
4 Brycen Hopkins
6 Jordan Fuller .
7 Clay Johnston
7 Sam Sloman
7 Tremaine Anchrum

2021
2 Tutu Atwell
3 Ernest Jones
4 Bobby Brown
4 Robert Rochell
4 Jacob Harris
5 Earnest Brown IV
7 Jake Funk
7 Ben Skowronek
7 Chris Garrett

2022
3 Logan Bruss
4 Cobie Durant .
5 Kyren Williams
6 Quentin Lake
6 Derion Kendrick
7 Daniel Hardy .
7 Russ Yeast
7 AJ Arcuri

That is a compilation of Les Snead's drafting for the past eleven years. He has, exactly, two home runs- Aaron Donald and Cooper Kupp. Todd Gurley was a whale of a ball player, but it was known he was injured goods when drafted, and when you only get five years out of your first round draft choice, and you didn't lose him to a freak, career-ending injury, you don't get accolades. Jared Goff has yet to define his career, but he did quarterback a team to a Super Bowl appearance, to his credit. The rest of his draft choices that actually had any type of an NFL career are, at best, slightly above average, and mostly are JAGS- Michael Brockers, Janoris Jenkins, Trumaine Johnson, Alec Ogletree, Tavon Austin, Greg Zeurlein, TJ McDonald, Lamarcus Joyner, EJ Gaines, Rob Havenstein, Sean Mannion, Tyler Higbee, Gerald Everett, John Johnson III, Josh Reynolds, Joseph Noteboom, Brian Allen, John Frankln-Myers, Ogbonnia Okoronkwo, Sebastion Joseph-Day, Terrell Rapp, Darrell Henderson, David Long, Greg Gaines, David Edwards, Nick Scott, Cam Akers, Van Jefferson, Terrell Burgess, Brycen Hopkins, Jordan Fuller, Tutu Atwell, Ernest Jones, Cobie Durant, You would have a very difficult time taking these guys and making a team that won anything more than 4-5 games- decent d-linemen, decent secondary, lbs and o-line are nearly non-existent, offensive skill positions are weak.

But, you say, Les stockpiles those 6th and 7th round draft picks. Yahoo!! Take a look at his picks in those rounds for the past eleven years and tell me what names excite you. He has found a few guys who have actually stuck to an NFL roster- none of them is going to the Hall of Fame without buying a ticket just like the rest of us, and very few of them are ever even going to sniff a Pro Bowl appearance.

But Les is a shrewd trader. No, he really isn't.

Les Snead walks into a Porsche dealership-"I want to buy a Porsche 911".

Dealership- "You're in luck, sir, we have one right now for $101,000".

Snead- "I'll give you $140,000 for it!".

Dealership- "Sold!!".

Les Snead spent a first round pick on Tavon Austin- Les Snead then traded Tavon Austin for a 6th round pick (which he then used to draft the immortal Jamil Demby).
Les Snead spent a first round pick on Alec Ogeltree. Les Snead then traded Ogletree for a fourth and a sixth round pick. Those picks became John Franklin-Myers and John Kelly.
Les Snead spent a first round pick on Michael Brockers. Les Snead then traded Brockers for a 2023 seventh-round pick. Does anybody want to bet what value that 7th round selection will bring the Rams?
Les Snead spent the number 1 overall pick on Jared Goff. Les Snead then traded Jared Goff, plus two first round picks and a third round pick for Matthew Stafford. This trade is certainly open for debate. I will point out that Snead traded a QB who had taken his team to a Super Bowl for a QB that has never been to a Super Bowl. Additionally, he traded a QB that was 27 for a QB that was just shy of 33 at the time of the trade, and had taken a beating throughout his career on some very bad Lions teams. If Snead wanted to make the trade even up, or throw in a mid-round draft pick, I don't think anyone would quibble with it. To throw in TWO first round picks for a guy six years OLDER than the QB you were trading was sheer stupidity.

How about his other trades?
He traded a fourth and a second round pick for Marcus Peters and a sixth round pick, then turned around and traded Peters for a fifth round pick and Kenny Young. Later traded Young and a seventh round pick (2024) for a sixth round pick (2024)..
He traded EJ Gaines and a second round pick for Sammy Watkins and a sixth round pick. Watkins then left after the season as a free agent. The Rams received a third round comp pick in 2019. Through other maneuvers and trades, I believe this pick ultimately resulted in either Bobby Evans or David Long, but I could be mistaken.
He traded a first round pick in 2020, a first round pick in 2021 and a fourth round pick in 2021 for Jalen Ramsey. He then traded Ramsey for a 3rd round pick and Hunter Long, a back-up tight end.
He traded a second and third round 2022 pick for Von Miller. Miller left after the season as a free agent. The Rams received a fifth round (2023) comp pick.
He traded first round and sixth round (2018) picks for Brandin Cooks. He then traded Cooks and a fourth round pick for a second round pick in 2020. With that second round pick, the Rams chose Van Jefferson.
I did not take the time to try and figure out who all of these fifth and sixth and seventh round picks ultimately became, but I don't think it's necessary- look at our fifth, sixth and seventh round selections, only Zeurlein, Nick Scott and Jordan Fuller have offered much of anything.

There are undoubtedly trades that I haven't listed, but the above information speaks for itself. Snead fabulously overpays for already proven talent (because he has demonstrated over and over again that he and his talent scouts really can't identify talent for the draft), then receives a fraction of the return when he trades the talent he traded for. When you couple that with some horrendous short-sighted contract extensions and sheer draft stupidity (Creed Humphrey), it is amazing Les Snead has a job. Coupled with a head coach that apparently has no use for a talented offensive line (I am sure McVay had a huge part in the Atwell fiasco) and signing off on some of the inexplicable contracts, and it is truly amazing this team has had the success it has under their tenure. It has been more the result of a fairly weak and unimposing NFC than anything these two have actually done. I know that won't make this post popular on this board with a lot of fans here, but honest to God, look at these drafts, look at these trades and the ultimate debt paid (what we gave up compared to what we got back) and you have to have some serious rose-colored glasses to proclaim these guys to be the geniuses that some want to portray them as. These are two guys who convinced themselves that they were going to re-write how the NFL did things, because they were smarter than everyone else (F' them picks!!). We are now literally giving away what little talent we have, and can't get out from under the contract that the 35 year old sore-armed QB has, but at least there is no-one in the wings ready to replace him.

The Rams had a nice short run of success. This is not the NFL of George Allen anymore- the salary cap has forced teams to be intelligent with their contracts and their drafting. Unlike Allen's time, you can't simply go buy or trade for every veteran you want because you think young players and rookies are useless. The moves made to bring in all these proven stars with no plan to be able to financially retain them (of course, structuring your roster so that only four players are eating (what seems like) nearly half your cap isn't brilliant, either, unless you are really crushing the draft year after year. Spoiler alert- the Rams aren't), The draft is possibly more important than ever before, simply because it can provide you with very cost-effective players for a minimum of four to five years. McVay and Snead have yet to nail a draft, and I don't see that changing anytime soon. Their arrogance may very well be leading this team into it's next dark ages. For all of the readers that say the 2021 Super Bowl win was worth it- fine, and you're more than entitled to that opinion. I don't feel that it had to be an either/or situation, that's all.
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  What a clown car

70sramsfan866March 12, 2023 02:20PM

  Great write up man

Ram4life146March 12, 2023 02:27PM

  Wow.. That was depressing...

sstrams129March 12, 2023 02:37PM

  completey agree and get blasted when I indicate how bad the Rams have drafted

ferragamo79128March 12, 2023 02:42PM

  Disagree just slightly

70sramsfan141March 12, 2023 02:51PM

  just looked it up and yes great drafts

ferragamo79107March 12, 2023 03:41PM

  Re: What a clown car

farley107March 12, 2023 02:53PM

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Ramstien122March 12, 2023 03:02PM

  Clown Car?

RamBill187March 12, 2023 03:02PM

  Re: Clown Car?

Ramstien139March 12, 2023 03:09PM

  You enjoy the recent past, and pay the piper Attachments

JimYoungblood53141March 12, 2023 04:00PM

  Re: You enjoy the recent past, and pay the piper

Ramstien109March 12, 2023 04:05PM

  Rams are true champions. And you are not going take that away

JimYoungblood5396March 12, 2023 04:16PM

  Re: Rams are true champions. And you are not going take that away

Ramstien106March 12, 2023 04:43PM

  If it were an actual word you'd be the one who is disillusional

JimYoungblood5399March 12, 2023 07:02PM

  Re: If it were an actual word you'd be the one who is disillusional

Ramstien71March 13, 2023 05:12AM

  Everytime. I ALWAYS say that

JimYoungblood5374March 13, 2023 08:37AM

  Re: Clown Car?

CROMWELL2193March 12, 2023 03:25PM

  @ Rambill is it 99-03 all over again

ferragamo7997March 12, 2023 03:43PM

  Re: @ Rambill is it 99-03 all over again

RamBill94March 12, 2023 06:07PM

  +1.........and......

Arkansas Ram82March 12, 2023 04:41PM

  Re: Clown Car?

stlramz77March 12, 2023 07:07PM

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Old Goat96March 12, 2023 03:12PM

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JYB89March 12, 2023 03:13PM

  "Trader Les" or "Trade for Less"???

Ramsdude84March 12, 2023 03:18PM

  Re: "Trader Les" or "Trade for Less"???

Ramstien87March 12, 2023 03:24PM

  Yeah, screw McSnead--and their ring. Attachments

JimYoungblood53137March 12, 2023 04:10PM

  Re: Yeah, Give me that ring.....Because those 70's seasons all ended like the Whiners did the last 2 years!

oldschoolramfan94March 12, 2023 04:37PM

  49ers won in 1981, then went 3-6, then were a dynasty

JimYoungblood5386March 12, 2023 04:41PM

  Klosterman, he did a lot of great things

JimYoungblood53113March 12, 2023 04:37PM

  good perspective...

LMU9380March 13, 2023 05:19AM

  That clown car was the envy of the NFL for half a decade

Rampage2K-113March 12, 2023 06:16PM

  Re: That clown car was the envy of the NFL for half a decade

GroundPounder89March 13, 2023 05:14AM

  Re: That clown car was the envy of the NFL for half a decade

Rampage2K-82March 13, 2023 08:13AM

  Re: What a clown car...stuff nightmares are made of

BumRap96March 12, 2023 06:50PM

  Re: What a clown car...stuff nightmares are made of

Rampage2K-122March 12, 2023 07:04PM

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Ridgewood Ram68March 12, 2023 07:23PM

  Excellent write up with a lot of facts, but...

dodgerram90March 12, 2023 11:24PM

  Just go back to 1991 to 1998 2005 to 2017

Hazlet Hacksaw118March 13, 2023 05:01AM

  some disagreement

LMU9399March 13, 2023 04:57AM

  I'd like to see more than just value

ferragamo7974March 13, 2023 06:24AM

  Re: I'd like to see more than just value

LMU9368March 13, 2023 09:55AM

  For me

RamsDynasty175March 13, 2023 08:43AM

  I can see that point of view RD

Ramsdude81March 13, 2023 08:49AM

  Assume the worst and expect the worst

promomasterj72March 13, 2023 09:00AM

  Snead is 15th from 2015-2021, by Rosenthal

JimYoungblood5386March 13, 2023 09:35AM