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No, a nose tackle in the base defense does not have

March 13, 2018 11:08PM
to be the pig you needed in the old 3-4 defenses. Even the ones that are fairley recent. It's nice to have a Vince Wilfolk as long as he's quick but you can have someone who is not a rare specimen, physically.

Haloti Ngata was probably my favorite, but finding a 6-4 335 pound guy who was that quick is hard.

In 2002-03 Wade used a 6-2 295-pound guy on the nose. Before that, he was blessed with a monster, Ted Washington. Maybe 350 pounds or more

in SD he had Jamall Williams, another monster.

In Dallas, he used a guy with DE size, but great quickness, 6-4 293 Jay Ratliff, who maybe could have played 3-tech or even some DE, maybe

In Houston, he used a couple of different guys as starters, Shaun Cody was 6-4 or so and 295 or so... again the "smaller" type

In Denver, he used Sylvester Williams, who was 6-3 313, a guy right in between the "DE types" as I call them and the "pigs"

So there is no pattern. He uses, I suppose, what is available.

With us, he used Brockers who was 6-5 maybe 320, then went to Smart who was maybe 6-2 290, then ended up starting Ethan who was 6-4 maybe 290. I think it's possible Wade thought Tanzel Smart would be Jay Ratliff so that led to Brockers going to 5-tech. Westbrooks was more like Cody or Jasper, maybe that is what Wade saw in a 6-4 285-290 guy on the nose

So, in my opinion it is always good to have strength first, then size, and if you can get a monster, wonderful, it's a benefit. But, if you guy is smaller but has overall body strength, base, leverage you can have a good defense with a 6-4 295 guy.

My personal opinion is I like something in between, Sly Williams-type because if he's 6-3 320 or so, but still quick, maybe you can get some pass rush out of him. Maybe he can be good enough to play on passing downs. With the "pigs" they will not be much help on 1st down when the opponent throws. Which is why I liked Ngata, he could push the pocket.

My opinion also is we don't "need" a monster, but if there is one, take him, but the main thing is to have a guy who has some base to him, who plays low, and can find the ball carrier and shed blocks.

Truth be told, I'd rather Brockers go back to nose if we can find a good 5-tech.

Final thought you need a good NT backup and maybe even 2, it's a tough position. But when you take your NT out for a reast you have to have one really good backup so you don't ruin the flow of the game by getting gashed.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/13/2018 11:11PM by Blue and Gold.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Maybe Suh not a terrible idea?

spagsbacker836March 13, 2018 03:48PM

  Re: Maybe Suh not a terrible idea?

Classicalwit221March 13, 2018 03:56PM

  Wait...that was my post!

jemach188March 13, 2018 04:06PM

  Re: It will be a "Sign both" move.......Donald and Suh.

oldschoolramfan98March 19, 2018 05:30AM

  One can only hope...

jemach76March 19, 2018 05:34AM

  terrible idea, does not fit scheme

Blue and Gold201March 13, 2018 04:19PM

  Re: terrible idea, does not fit scheme

dzrams161March 13, 2018 04:43PM

  I said playing him as a 3-4 DE would be disaster

Blue and Gold157March 13, 2018 05:42PM

  Re: That ain't all you said bro....

dzrams121March 13, 2018 06:39PM

  And Donald wasn't a 10-sack, 10-stuff guy Attachments

Blue and Gold113March 13, 2018 06:51PM

  Re: If that's all you were focused on fine...

dzrams84March 13, 2018 07:05PM

  Do you see anything other than sacks and stuffs?.

Blue and Gold89March 13, 2018 07:12PM

  Based on what?

Blue and Gold122March 13, 2018 05:44PM

  Re: Based on what?

bigjimram2197March 13, 2018 06:10PM

  No reason to force anything

Blue and Gold86March 13, 2018 06:14PM

  Re: it's definitely not as foolish a thought as you say...

spagsbacker80March 14, 2018 12:29AM

  Aside from Dickerson lobbying for it what else is there?

Blue and Gold69March 14, 2018 12:40AM

  Re: Based on what?

dzrams85March 13, 2018 06:40PM

  No, it wasn't

Blue and Gold81March 13, 2018 06:57PM

  Re: It should have been, it was only 4 lines

dzrams82March 13, 2018 07:10PM

  Well, "better than ever" is an opinion I don't share

Blue and Gold86March 13, 2018 07:16PM

  Re: That's fair...I don't mind you having a different opinion...

dzrams76March 13, 2018 07:25PM

  Of course, anyone can be wrong

Blue and Gold77March 13, 2018 07:39PM

  Re: Of course, anyone can be wrong

dzrams79March 13, 2018 08:23PM

  Then why were his stuffs down?

Blue and Gold66March 13, 2018 08:52PM

  Re: Over a full season, who cares...

dzrams69March 13, 2018 09:45PM

  One last time Attachments

Blue and Gold75March 14, 2018 02:59PM

  Re: I responded to this last night, and both got deleted...Let's agree to disagree

dzrams63March 14, 2018 03:16PM

  I didn't see it

Blue and Gold62March 14, 2018 03:36PM

  Re: I know...that's b/c they both got deleted... Lol

dzrams61March 14, 2018 03:57PM

  That's fine

Blue and Gold65March 14, 2018 04:02PM

  hey B&G...a question....bout NT in Wade's defense....

SunTzu_vs_Camus108March 13, 2018 10:45PM

  No, a nose tackle in the base defense does not have

Blue and Gold148March 13, 2018 11:08PM

  interesting...thnx B&G

SunTzu_vs_Camus84March 13, 2018 11:17PM

  I think the times we were gashed

Blue and Gold77March 13, 2018 11:28PM

  it's only from stuff I read bout his rosters along with the guys you posted about....

SunTzu_vs_Camus75March 13, 2018 11:33PM

  Our LBs weren't physical enough...

jemach64March 14, 2018 05:01PM

  My observation was they got wired to blockers

Blue and Gold69March 14, 2018 06:43PM

  Zine It !!!

RamsFanSince6983March 14, 2018 05:20AM

  Re: definitely NOT a terrible idea...

spagsbacker134March 14, 2018 12:42AM

  No

Blue and Gold129March 14, 2018 10:58AM

  Re: Maybe you need to give Snead a lesson?

spagsbacker94March 19, 2018 04:40AM

  C'mon man...

jemach94March 19, 2018 04:49AM

  Re: C'mon man...

spagsbacker91March 19, 2018 04:56AM

  I think signing Suh...

jemach84March 19, 2018 05:08AM

  Re: You're missing the point...

dzrams74March 19, 2018 05:34AM

  Go back to initial response...

jemach60March 19, 2018 05:41AM

  Re: Still missing the point...

dzrams78March 19, 2018 06:07AM

  Apparantly I misunderstood that "spare me" comment...

jemach53March 19, 2018 06:40AM

  Re: Thanks DZ...

spagsbacker57March 19, 2018 05:49AM

  Re:Question my fine feathered friend......

laram64March 19, 2018 06:12AM

  Re: Re:Question my fine feathered friend......

dzrams62March 19, 2018 07:40AM

  Re: Last hooray....

laram66March 19, 2018 08:00AM

  And in another thread I said I would ADMIT

Blue and Gold65March 19, 2018 12:15PM

  You really think Wade would OK Suh if he didn't have a plan for him?

RamBum92March 19, 2018 04:51AM

  Fantastic dialogue in this thread

no name88March 19, 2018 07:49AM

  the problem with him is his ill timing penalties

Rams_8175March 19, 2018 07:52AM