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“now I think that people have realized we don’t know if it works or not”

April 22, 2020 07:31AM
More deaths, no benefit from malaria drug in VA virus study
With 368 patients, the study is the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for Covid-19.

By ASSOCIATED PRESS

[www.politico.com]


A malaria drug widely touted by President Donald Trump for treating the new coronavirus showed no benefit in a large analysis of its use in U.S. veterans hospitals. There were more deaths among those given hydroxychloroquine versus standard care, researchers reported.

The nationwide study was not a rigorous experiment. But with 368 patients, it’s the largest look so far of hydroxychloroquine with or without the antibiotic azithromycin for COVID-19, which has killed more than 171,000 people as of Tuesday.

The study was posted on an online site for researchers and has been submitted to the New England Journal of Medicine, but has not been reviewed by other scientists. Grants from the National Institutes of Health and the University of Virginia paid for the work.

Researchers analyzed medical records of 368 male veterans hospitalized with confirmed coronavirus infection at Veterans Health Administration medical centers who died or were discharged by April 11.

About 28% who were given hydroxychloroquine plus usual care died, versus 11% of those getting routine care alone. About 22% of those getting the drug plus azithromycin died too, but the difference between that group and usual care was not considered large enough to rule out other factors that could have affected survival.

Hydroxychloroquine made no difference in the need for a breathing machine, either.

Researchers did not track side effects, but noted hints that hydroxychloroquine might have damaged other organs. The drug has long been known to have potentially serious side effects, including altering the heartbeat in a way that could lead to sudden death.

Earlier this month, scientists in Brazil stopped part of a hydroxychloroquine study after heart rhythm problems developed in one-quarter of people given the higher of two doses being tested.

Many doctors have been leery of the drug.

At the University of Wisconsin, Madison, “I think we’re all rather underwhelmed” at what’s been seen among the few patients there who’ve tried it, said Dr. Nasia Safdar, medical director of infection control and prevention.

Patients asked about it soon after Trump started promoting its use, “but now I think that people have realized we don’t know if it works or not” and needs more study, said Safdar, who had no role in the VA analysis.

The NIH and others have more rigorous tests underway.
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  clinical trial for COVID-19 treatments

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  Re: clinical trial for COVID-19 treatments

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  Newsom says Stanford test for coronavirus immunity in California ‘hours’ from approval

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  Like I said a week or two ago. You can bet......

Ramgator187April 04, 2020 02:28PM

  Re: Like I said a week or two ago. You can bet......

zn213April 04, 2020 03:06PM

  Who knows???? I have heard "experts" (A LOT of those on TV lately) say otherwise.

Ramgator289April 04, 2020 03:42PM

  Re: Who knows???? I have heard "experts" (A LOT of those on TV lately) say otherwise.

zn178April 04, 2020 04:45PM

  Plus different strains..

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zn178April 05, 2020 10:08PM

  Re: clinical trial for COVID-19 treatments

Steve228April 06, 2020 02:01AM

  on the misleading infor about Hydroxychloroquine that's out there

zn212April 06, 2020 06:59PM

  This so cal doctor has prescribed it and swears by it...

Rampage2K-170April 07, 2020 07:22AM

  "from very ill to symptom free within 8-12 hours"

Rampage2K-154April 07, 2020 12:17PM

  Heck, as long as it doesn't hurt you..

sstrams220April 07, 2020 02:23PM

  Re: Heck, as long as it doesn't hurt you..

Rampage2K-150April 07, 2020 04:30PM

  Re: Heck, as long as it doesn't hurt you..

CeeZar200April 08, 2020 06:56AM

  it does hurt you

zn150April 08, 2020 05:05AM

  Great example of fear mongering....

roman18163April 09, 2020 11:33AM

  Re: Great example of fear mongering....

Rampage2K-165April 09, 2020 12:43PM

  Re: Great example of fear mongering....

zn255April 09, 2020 03:52PM

  here

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  Re: here +

zn157April 16, 2020 02:53PM

  here + & double +

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  I heard on CNN last night

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zn164April 08, 2020 06:56AM

  from stories to science in how long?

zn157April 10, 2020 04:42AM

  another very promising treatment .....

Rampage2K-170April 07, 2020 05:37PM

  Yup

CeeZar211April 08, 2020 11:47AM

  anecdotal..

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  Hydroxychloroquine: how an unproven drug became coronavirus 'miracle cure'

zn192April 08, 2020 07:16AM

  Has anyone heard much about quinine/zinc combo?

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  Re: Has anyone heard much about quinine/zinc combo?

zn213April 09, 2020 03:56PM

  Well, a preventative along the lines of..

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zn170April 09, 2020 06:29PM

  Hydroxychloroquine and coronavirus: what you need to know

zn185April 09, 2020 12:37PM

  Interesting talk with my internist

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zn163April 10, 2020 11:37AM

  oops sry

zn161April 10, 2020 01:38PM

  no evidence yet

zn170April 15, 2020 09:29AM

  tests are not okaying this so far

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zn166April 18, 2020 04:32PM

  Re: tests are not okaying this so far...this sounds promising

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  “now I think that people have realized we don’t know if it works or not”

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  What We Should And Should Not Do

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