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Re: You are mixing it all up

November 13, 2021 05:30AM
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Before OBJ Manning 58.5%
after 62.6%



Mayfield has been far better throwing the ball to literally anyone else. His QBR targeting Beckham over the past three seasons is 58.0 (scale 0-to-100). But to every other Browns wide receiver, it is a combined 85.2.
according to ESPN Stats & Information


Mayfield is better when OBJ is off the field
[www.espn.com]

I don't believe it just because Dan orlslovky is talking about one game without obj. I will breakdown this a little better. Obj for one had been hurt it's going to hurt his production. Number two Cleveland has been a dumpster fire until last year. Number three obj is going to command attention and gameplanning to limit his open looks which would explain some of his production dips. Number 4 baker mayfield is not a premiere qb or Eli Manning that late in his career either. They force OBJ the ball with the Giants because he was the only weapon in wr core. With browns they had some other good targets Landry, and te sorry don't follow the browns at all.

If you research what went on and read the full story you will see you cannot dump 100% of the problem on mayfield. It's just lazy. It's all about "my team got OBJ" so he must be good.

I do not know what will happen in the future but there is no fair way to say that everything is on manning and Mayfield

OBJ was left to walk by the Giants. What did they know? And elite skilled receiver and they let him go
Cleveland signed him and let him walk.

So, when is anything going to be his fault?

Nothing? When are people going to stop making excuses for the guy?

Sure, give him a chance but the facts are he'd run wrong routes, he dropped more balls in Cleveland than NYG, he'd show up Mayfield,

I am not saying it's ALL on OBJ, but it cannot be 0% his fault either.

I agree that some of the blame needs to be placed on obj no doubt he ain't perfect by any means. But he has been on dumpster fire teams his whole career and has some injury history. The guy has some extreme talent but also some shortcomings with his attitude and game. He also has major production when healthy. We will see how well he does on a team that has the correct pieces in place for this experiment kind of like are little Stafford experiment.
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  a weird OBJ stat

LMU93634November 12, 2021 01:11PM

  Re: a weird OBJ stat

nicecatchellard448November 12, 2021 04:09PM

  Re: a weird OBJ stat

sfbayram292November 12, 2021 06:17PM

  Then why was it higher when he was with NY?

JimYoungblood53180November 12, 2021 06:22PM

  Re: a weird OBJ stat

max298November 13, 2021 03:19AM

  Re: a weird OBJ stat

JimYoungblood53226November 13, 2021 04:08AM

  Re: a weird OBJ stat

nicecatchellard223November 13, 2021 05:05AM

  You are mixing it all up

JimYoungblood53251November 13, 2021 05:24AM

  Re: You are mixing it all up

nicecatchellard248November 13, 2021 05:30AM

  He went down last year and Browns go to playoffs

JimYoungblood53241November 13, 2021 12:34PM

  Re: He went down last year and Browns go to playoffs

AlbaNY_Ram119November 13, 2021 12:50PM

  Yes, that is what is what was happening

JimYoungblood53178November 13, 2021 12:55PM

  Re: You are mixing it all up

RAMSINCE ARNETT103November 14, 2021 07:02AM

  How about real numbers…

max140November 13, 2021 05:41AM

  How about Beckham didn't run the right routes

JimYoungblood53258November 13, 2021 12:39PM

  How about we see how OBJ does with Stafford?

max138November 13, 2021 12:56PM

  Have been saying that. I always say "wait and see"

JimYoungblood53276November 13, 2021 01:05PM

  Lets pile on here...

max172November 13, 2021 01:59PM

  Have those guys been let go, trade by 2 clubs?

JimYoungblood53111November 13, 2021 02:06PM

  Re: How about we see how OBJ does with Stafford?

RAMSINCE ARNETT182November 14, 2021 07:25AM

  Re: How about real numbers…

RAMSINCE ARNETT124November 14, 2021 07:20AM

  Re: How about real numbers…

21Dog285November 14, 2021 10:46AM