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I rewatched the Seahawks game and Goff did a lot of good stuff, a lot more good stuff than bad stuff.

What I liked seeing is they were clicking on third down. Looking at passes only, they converted 7 of 12 3rd downs, without a negative play (sack, fumble, INT) on any of them.

But it's the Seattle defense. I don't think they're quite as bad as their numbers indicate (I think they're picking it up after a bad start) but it's not a great defense either way.

Here's what I don't like. The Rams turn the ball over too much. It's mostly Goff turning it over, but even Woods gave up a fumble for a DTD against Chicago. You do that against good teams and you're gonna lose more often than not. Until they correct the turnover issue, all that good stuff, including the 3rd down conversions, will get washed out.

TB will bring the heat on Goff. Everyone knows it, especially him. Will he protect the ball? Will he process fast enough? It's anyones guess right now.

He went through spurts of that last year and it stopped for a while. Then it came back up again this year. If it stopped before it can stop again, is my thinking.

Another question is why does it come back?

It’s quite possible that this pattern of spurts is permanent.

And they have a winning season both times.

It's an issue and it's better if they don't have it.

But you know who else had long spurts of fumbling? Warner, right? In his last 4 starts in 2004 with the Giants, he was sacked 24 times and fumbled 6 times. So whatever the cause...guys can get over that.

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I don’t remember Warner having spurts and stops. I do remember him having a problem gripping the ball supposedly explained by a bad thumb. It wasn’t related to not sensing pressure well. So I’m not buying the similarity.

24 sacks and 6 fumbles in 4 games? Yes Warner at that point had a problem holding the ball. Only later did he develop that Brady-like quick passing game which is what got Arizona to a superbowl.

And remember, Goff has been on the winning side in games where the Rams allowed a lot of pressure. So as I keep saying, it's not as absolute or categorical as it sometimes seems people are saying it is.

I remember Warner getting rid of the ball quickly when he was with the Rams. I specifically remember a game against the Falcons where they pressured him quickly and he snapped off a pass in the left flat for a long gain. John Madden was doing the game and I remember him saying, "holy moly" regarding to how Warner reacted so quickly. Madden said Warner was Joe Montana like in how he got the ball out quickly and was unflappable.

Point here is that I don't see Warner as being a good case study for Goff. I'm not sure there is one. But it's not Warner, IMO.

Warner famously held the ball and was even praised for it. In New York that was a bad idea (24 sacks in 4 games). And then the idea that Goff never gets the ball off quickly is just plain incorrect. We've seen it. And yet now somehow you've arrived at the idea that he CAN'T? (!) This is my thing about balanced views. Discussions like this go to extremes and sometimes I sit there looking at them going "it is just not that simple, or cut and dried."

The point of bringing up Warner was simply that here's a qb we both know, who did change. It has nothing to do with any ideas you have about "case studies" or wherever it is you went with that. It's just an example I can count on us both remembering. That's one reason why when I see a negative with a player who also has positives, I don;t automatically assume the negatives are more real and are more likely to endure.

It's way to soon to be making some of the generalizations I see some people making. Truth? We have absolutely no idea if the Miami game was this big reveal or one bad game.

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