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Speed_Kills
Kurt Warner lead the AZ Cardinals to the SB with a trash line
Tom Brady right now is playing behind moe, larry, and curly because their line has been decimated. Has he resolved into one of the worst QBs in football
There are QBs who make their olines look better. Goff is so limited it’s not even funny
I’m convinced that he’s so limited that literally McVay is hamstrung because he’s incapable of changing much of this offense
Goff has been off the charts bad since that Lions game last year but for a few games
And with him playing so poorly it’s only a matter of time before the locker room turns on him
That's a huge misconception about Warner and Arizona. This has come up before because denial of/resistance to the fact that collapsed OLs bring the qb down has come up before, many times.
In Arz in the Warner years they used the people they had--the OL and Warner combined--to fashion a very effective quick, short passing game. That OL could play that game or they would not have gone anywhere on offense.
They did not suffer mass injuries or enter the season with OTs who had regressed from a previous higher level of play.
In contrast, in NY Warner got shredded. After a hot start his last 5 games there, when the OL failed to hold up, they went 1-4 and Kurt's production decreased (just 3 TDs, 3 INTs, 24 sacks--4.8 a game--plus a ton of fumbles).
I keep mentioning Brady. I list him over and over and over as one of the very few exceptions to this issue (qbs suffering from collapsed OL). Do a search of my handle with the word "Brady" and see how often I mention him in OL discussions...going back years. BUT even Brady can be got under those conditions. He played well in 2015, in spite of a badly banged up OL, but then it caught up with him in the Denver playoff game. So even he is not completely immune. The other qb I keep mentioning (and have for years) as an exception to this is Wilson, and even then like Brady he can still have bad games under those conditions, something we as Rams fans know full well since we've seen it.
I don't care about the run of the mill "there are qbs who make the line better" mantra because it has nothing to do with what we're talking about. This was never defined as a discussion about an average OL with a qb that elevates them )or not)--it was about OLs that fall apart (in the case of the 2019 Rams, it was first completely out of sync with both tackles regressing, and now it's massively injured).
So unless you actually address the real point, you're not really coming up with valid arguments. This is about OL
*COLLAPSE*. And if you think this OL is playing at the same level it was through 2017 and before the bye in 2018, then it's as if you have not been watching the games.
So, in claiming to know qbs who play effectively when an OL collapses, you named one who did not play in Arz with a collapsed OL (Warner), then named 1 of the only 2 exceptions I ALWAYS name in these discussions...again, going back years.
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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 11/15/2019 02:19PM by zn.
