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moklerman
A guy who has a good 2 year run just isn't in the same conversation as someone who's done it for 15, 16...18 years. It is disingenuous to put Goff alongside Brees, Brady, Rodgers, etc. at this point in his career. With the up's and down's Goff has had, I think it's safe to wait and see how his career numbers pan out. After his first 3 years, Nick Foles was on the list too.
When a guy like Wilson or Goff does something sooner and earlier in their careers, it matters and means something. Being earlier at accomplishing something counts.
It just simply depends on what question you are asking.
If your question is, who has had a 5%TD/2.5% or lower INT ratio for the longest time, that's one thing.
If your question is, who reached that status sooner, that's a different thing.
Each is indicative in different ways.
As it happens, Brees, and Brady took longer. Brady never crossed the 5%/2.5% line until his 5th year. He was not regularly turning in numbers like that (on this one narrowly defined thing) until 2007, his 8th year. Brees did not start regularly producing seasons with those numbers (though with 3 lapses) until his 11th year, 2011. Rodgers in contrast started immediately in his 1st year as a starter (his 4th year in the league), but that may be an argument for sitting even top starting caliber qbs for a while before starting them.
To me, one of the single most deceptive term in football discussions is "sample size." In this case it doesn't apply because no one added the criteria "and has done it for the longest time in his career." If you omit that statement, then in effect you are judging how fast someone gets there. That's one question. You can go ahead and add the "numbers of years" criteria if you want but then you are just just asking a different thing.
Wilson and Goff made the 5%/2.5% threshold earlier in their careers than Brees and Brady. Time will tell how enduring that accomplishment is. It's certainly not the case that this stat alone either supports or even attempts to make the case that at this point that both Goff and Wilson are equivalent to Brees and Brady as career qbs.
You might have a case if someone tried to argue that this stat alone determines whether you are a great qb. But no one said that.
BTW Mahomes is on his way but needs another couple of seasons since another criteria is a minimum of 1000 attempts.
Another way to approach this though is to ask, is there any qbs who crossed that threshold early in their careers and then failed to sustain it?
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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2019 07:46AM by zn.
