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Re: Good points both of you

February 09, 2019 06:17AM
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Speed_Kills
I think for me it’s that he has looked so bad when things don’t go well

I mean he completely falls apart

Is that true? He didn't come back against the Saints twice on the road? (Though they lost one). They also came back from down late in 2 tough wins over Seattle. Green Bay too.

Whatever the 2017 Vikes game, and the 2018 Chi, Phil, and Patz games have in common, I don't think it gets down simply to Goff not looking good when things don't go well. (Also remember in those games the relatively green McVay is facing accomplished cagey older veteran D coordinators---Fangio, Schwartz. BB ).

In fact given ALL the things that didn't go well in those games (no run, OL struggling, high percentage of pressure, unexpected coverages and other surprises, playcaller not adjusting the way a veteran playcaller would)...

I think most if not all qbs would be less effective under those conditions. Particularly a young one.

The best qb IMO playing now who still plays well under that kind of duress is Wilson, and the Rams have sometimes even turned him into less than himself.

Having said all that...I;m just making a case. It's completely expected that different people would see all this differently. And needless to say, those differences are not just expected, they're fine (obviously) So I am not doing a "be a real Rams fan Goff-hater!" kind of thing. Just making a case for a different view. I respect the differences. I know you know that but now and then it's useful to wave the "respect differences" flag for the sake of a stray reader or 2.



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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 02/09/2019 06:29AM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Vikings Jared Goff v Bears/Pats Jared Goff

Speed_Kills559February 08, 2019 05:53PM

  completely disagree

zn268February 08, 2019 06:14PM

  Re:Goff is the SAME...the circumstances changed--Peyton Manning Comp

Steve161February 08, 2019 11:07PM

  Re: Good points both of you

Speed_Kills153February 09, 2019 04:49AM

  Re: Good points both of you

zn121February 09, 2019 06:17AM

  Facts are not relevant

waterfield89February 09, 2019 09:17AM

  Re: sort of like Gurley being too hurt to contribute

Speed_Kills151February 09, 2019 10:46AM

  I think that's true, he was too hurt to play 100%

zn63February 09, 2019 11:48AM

  we're approaching this differently W

zn94February 09, 2019 11:49AM

  Re: Good points both of you

RamsFanSinceLA57February 12, 2019 07:32AM

  not many QBs can do well when they are one dimensional

ferragamo79141February 08, 2019 06:25PM

  Re: Vikings Jared Goff v Bears/Pats Jared Goff Attachments

Ram49195February 08, 2019 06:31PM

  Michael Irvin on Inside the NFL

RamBill198February 08, 2019 07:07PM

  Fantastic breakdown, thanks

Ram49146February 08, 2019 07:27PM

  Re: Michael Irvin on Inside the NFL

zn190February 08, 2019 08:50PM

  Yep cant do that if Kupp is there

Hazlet Hacksaw126February 09, 2019 05:09AM

  If cooks makes those catches

PHDram138February 09, 2019 04:25AM

  Exactly

Ram49111February 09, 2019 08:07AM

  Re: Cooks

Speed_Kills168February 09, 2019 04:55AM

  I don’t think he’s top 10.......

Rampage2K-185February 08, 2019 07:53PM

  Re: top 5?

Speed_Kills126February 09, 2019 05:10AM

  Re: top 5?

Rams4396February 09, 2019 06:04AM

  Re: it’s ok 43 we can disagree on where he slots

Speed_Kills70February 09, 2019 08:18AM

  Re: it’s ok 43 we can disagree on where he slots

Rams4369February 09, 2019 08:23AM

  Re: Yup

Speed_Kills65February 09, 2019 08:34AM

  no way do I put Cam Newton

ferragamo7969February 09, 2019 07:10AM

  Re: ok but I bet you more people

Speed_Kills61February 09, 2019 08:32AM

  we will have a better idea

ferragamo7960February 09, 2019 02:54PM

  Re: yeah its killing me

Speed_Kills63February 09, 2019 05:00PM

  Re: we will have a better idea

AlbaNY_Ram86February 10, 2019 04:58AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rampage2K-178February 09, 2019 08:44AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rams4365February 09, 2019 09:03AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rampage2K-84February 09, 2019 09:18AM

  This might make you feel better.......Tom Brady's 7 worst games

Rampage2K-124February 09, 2019 09:21AM

  Re: top 5?

dzrams63February 09, 2019 09:34AM

  I rate him top 8- top 10 at worst

LMU9364February 09, 2019 01:15PM

  Re: I rate him top 8- top 10 at worst

Speed_Kills65February 09, 2019 05:02PM

  I'll be a little bit vague here...

LMU93152February 10, 2019 04:10AM

  Re: I'll be a little bit vague here...

zn75February 10, 2019 05:54AM

  Re: Good list.

Speed_Kills65February 10, 2019 06:50AM

  Re: Good list.

Rampage2K-86February 10, 2019 07:56AM

  Re: Good list.

dzrams66February 10, 2019 08:57AM

  Ryan did have an advantage early

zn61February 10, 2019 09:22AM

  Re: Idk

Speed_Kills64February 10, 2019 09:41AM

  Re: Idk

zn82February 10, 2019 10:12AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

Speed_Kills70February 10, 2019 10:57AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

dzrams56February 10, 2019 11:15AM

  Re: Thx dz. now we are talking

Speed_Kills73February 10, 2019 11:58AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

zn53February 10, 2019 11:39AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

dzrams58February 10, 2019 12:29PM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

zn53February 10, 2019 01:15PM

  Re: Idk

GroundPounder88February 10, 2019 04:06PM

  Re: Idk

zn88February 10, 2019 04:24PM

  Re: Idk

GroundPounder64February 10, 2019 05:07PM

  Re: Idk

zn71February 10, 2019 05:14PM

  Re: Idk

Rams4363February 11, 2019 07:30AM

  Goff has a winning record against your list of QBs

JoeMad97February 12, 2019 07:56AM

  top 10 QB with McVay Gurley Kupp

Rams_81141February 09, 2019 12:33PM

  Goff v Vikings highlights

Speed_Kills69February 10, 2019 07:27AM

  Step back for a while

max102February 10, 2019 11:59AM

  Re: Step back for a while

Rampage2K-88February 10, 2019 03:04PM

  Re: good stuff max

Speed_Kills65February 11, 2019 06:11AM

  Re: good stuff max

Rams4357February 11, 2019 07:36AM

  Speed....

zn73February 12, 2019 02:36PM

  I dunno Speed

max56February 12, 2019 01:06PM