November 16, 2018 07:03AM | Registered: 7 years ago Posts: 16,078
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JamesJM
I don't get this:
"One can be a huge factor or not but that's the game situation not the stat."
I'm saying you're asking the stat to do too much. It's quantitative v. qualitative. You can't make one thing (the quantitative) the other thing (the qualitative) and when you blame the quantitative for what it can't do, the flaw is not the quantitative, it's the effort to make it do what it can't and doesn't do.
It's like this. When I discuss drafts, I divide it into basic hit rate and then grades. So for example a 40% hit rate is good. But if one of your 40% is a star, that's a better grade.
There is no point in burdening a stat with things it doesn't do, like differentiate among INTs that happen when the driving team has a chance to win from other situations.
Across time the ups and downs like INTs from a pass the receivers deflect instead of properly catch, they just even out. There are no distinctions .But then no qb is judged solely on numbers anyway and you always have to add the context (I happen to be big both on numbers and on context so I am advocating what already comes naturally to me).
So if you want to make distinctions, you just have to switch gears to qualitative analysis. So it's quantitative (q1) and qualitative (q2).
The error would be to try to sophisticate the stats so they reflect distinctions. So, instead of saying qb x has 8 ints, you try to do it as qb x has 4 INTqbEs (ints qb error), though 1 of those is a INTqbECS (int qb error in a crunch situation), then he has 2 INTsRF (2 Ints that are the receiver's fault), 1 INTHM (int on a hail mary)...that's deliberately absurd on my part to make a point.
The stat is the stat and cannot be improved by finessing it. So you just have to switch between the q1 and q2 info. So you can say, qbX has 8 Ints but 2 were on deflected catchable balls.
That kind of switch is just unavoidable.
Meanwhile this all came up because of Rz stats, and RZ stats suddenly became controversial because the Rams need to improve at it. I promise you, if the Rams were very good at it, there would be no questioning of the stat. Or if there were it would be a rare and quirky person who did it.
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