October 13, 2018 02:25PM
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RockRam
RBs can be effective in platoons (NE), as one single terrific one (LA), or as a tandem (like NO).

The QB handles the ball on EVERY offensive play. Has to read the D's. Throw accurate. Lead the team. Very few human beings can do this.

New York made a poor decision not to pick a QB with that pick. Manning has been declining for the past 2 or 3 years. Tom Brady he's not. This was a political decision (as in football political) and not a pure pragmatic team building decision. Nothing could have been better than to bring in one of these college kids, let him play a year behind Manning, let Manning take the beating, give the Giants another year to build a decent Oline. Who cares if the Manning family gets it's nose out of joint? With Archie an old man, Peyton retired, and Eli should be retired, they will fade very quickly as an influence.

I realize that because the Giants are so bad, they'll pick high again this year. But who says that any of the QBs coming out will be as good as last year's crop? Or that the Giants might not get lucky on a couple of games and find themselves drafting later than the top QBs will be taken.

Last year was a golden opportunity and they blew it. And the mantra that perhaps the FO of the Giants didn't see any QB worth the 2nd pick so they passed is just as damning since at least 2, and really 3, of those QBs are proving that they belong even as rookies.

Now they're in a position that they pretty well MUST draft a QB in round 1 this year or risk losing their fan base. Or, perhaps, they can sign a FA QB but I don't know if any worth considering are going to be available.

Their blind loyalty to Eli Manning, and some unjustifiable FO decisions, has cost the Giants dearly.

In times past an elite or franchise QB was definitely the hardest position to acquire. (There is no argument that it's the most important position by far.)

But the current trend seems to be producing 2-3 franchise to elite QBs per year. Take a look at the last 3 years, 2016-2018:


2018 class - It's early but it appears that at least 3 can/will be franchise QBs.

Darnold
Mayfield
Rosen

2017 class - Said to lack elite talent. It's not looking like that assessment was accurate.

Mahomes - will be elite
Trubisky
Watson -

2016 class - 2 potential elite QBs, 1 franchise QB

Goff - elite
Wentz - elite
Prescott - franchise QB

That's 9 QBs in the last three years.

That's a better yield than for the WR or RB positions.

Elite RBs from '16-'18: Elliott, Kamara, Hunt, McCaffrey, Fournette (is he really elite?), Barkley
That's 6, at most, elite RBs.

Elite WRs from '16-'18: Michael Thomas, Tyreek Hill, Smith-Schuster, Kupp (maybe?), Ridley
That's 5 elite WRs at most.

I'm seriously questioning the conventional wisdom that says a franchise QB is the hardest position to acquire. It's not looking like that.

Someone tell me why I'm wrong. And I'm looking for why I'm wrong only on the narrow point of is QB the HARDEST to acquire, not is it the most important.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  IMO...the Giants did the right thing in taking Barkley...

jemach710October 12, 2018 02:48AM

  Never a doubt in my mind..

PaulButcher59396October 12, 2018 03:01AM

  They will get their QB this year

den-the-coach246October 12, 2018 03:42AM

  Better get an oline first

Hazlet Hacksaw208October 12, 2018 04:58AM

  Re: They will get their QB this year

BigGame81244October 12, 2018 05:18AM

  They will be picking top ten again

SUretHing153October 12, 2018 05:35AM

  Re agree

Speed_Kills125October 12, 2018 06:57AM

  Re: I believe time will demonstrate they should have taken Darnold

merlin163October 12, 2018 07:00AM

  Old debate: Risk for a franchise QB

Atlantic Ram132October 12, 2018 07:14AM

  Re: Other things to factor in....

dzrams164October 12, 2018 07:36AM

  I think that's huge...

jemach112October 12, 2018 07:45AM

  that was me

Atlantic Ram115October 12, 2018 10:07AM

  Re: that was me

dzrams137October 12, 2018 10:12AM

  Re: that was me

Atlantic Ram110October 12, 2018 10:11PM

  I'll disagree with you on a point...

jemach101October 13, 2018 07:15PM

  Re: Well let's talk rareness of the player, good point

merlin112October 12, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: Well let's talk rareness of the player, good point

dzrams148October 12, 2018 11:10AM

  Next time I'll just let you answer...

jemach104October 12, 2018 11:48AM

  Re: Well let's talk rareness of the player, good point

jemach129October 12, 2018 11:46AM

  Re: the risk for the Giants is that they string together 5+ or so wins

merlin161October 12, 2018 09:47PM

  Re: the risk for the Giants is that they string together 5+ or so wins

LMU93120October 13, 2018 08:03AM

  Re: To add to that...

dzrams142October 13, 2018 01:25PM

  Re: To add to that...

zn147October 13, 2018 01:36PM

  Whoever the new QB is...

jemach193October 13, 2018 07:01PM

  An illustration of just how set the Rams are at key spots...

Rams43164October 12, 2018 07:08AM

  One thing you can count on...

jemach144October 12, 2018 11:52AM

  It was a horrible choice imho

RamUK201October 12, 2018 07:19AM

  Barry Sanders...and Walter Peyton...

jemach254October 12, 2018 11:58AM

  Those are two pretty huge "IF's"

Suh-weet!135October 13, 2018 05:16PM

  Thoughts from Gil Brandt...

jemach182October 12, 2018 01:08PM

  Disagree. That works for every position but QB.

RockRam140October 13, 2018 04:49AM

  Your saying Darnold was the choice?

jemach137October 13, 2018 07:22PM

  Imagine what Barkely can do once the Giants stop quitting

chunkmeister171October 13, 2018 12:31AM

  Re: all comes down to Eli

spagsbacker116October 13, 2018 10:49PM

  No way. QB is the hardest, most important, position to acquire

RockRam271October 13, 2018 04:41AM

  Re: Is it Currently the hardest to acquire though?

dzrams116October 13, 2018 02:25PM

  thats a real stretch

ferragamo79123October 13, 2018 06:01PM

  Re: Ok...even with your count...

dzrams235October 13, 2018 06:46PM

  Darnold would be riding the pine...

jemach126October 13, 2018 07:19PM

  Re: Darnold would be riding the pine...

NJRam715121October 13, 2018 07:43PM

  Re: Darnold would be riding the pine...

dzrams111October 13, 2018 07:46PM

  +1...

jemach105October 14, 2018 04:42AM

  LOL....

jemach99October 14, 2018 04:41AM

  Re: IMO...the Giants did the right thing in taking Barkley...

David Deacon108October 14, 2018 07:34AM