August 07, 2018 10:11AM
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ABQRam
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dzrams
Because by some measurements, they've had a top 10 D several times since AD was drafted.

Are you measuring by yards, points allowed, or by some other metric?

Total yards allowed, passing yards allowed, rushing yards allowed, points allowed. And no, we haven't had a top 10 D several times since AD has been here. As R2K pointed out I did miss 2016 when we were 9th total yards, 10th against the pass and 10th against the pass...we still sucked in yards allowed rushing and points allowed. The other three years we weren't top 10 in any of those categories.

I ask because everyone has their favorite metric. Personally, I measure a defense the same way I measure an offense: points allowed or points scored.

2016 is a perfect example. Yeah, they did well in total yards allowed but they didn't keep points off the board. They were 16th in Offensive Points Allowed (which excludes points scored by offensive turnovers (e.g. pick 6's) and opponent ST scores)

Conversely in 2015 they were 9th in Offensive Points Alllowed and 4th in 2014. In GW's scheme he wasn't concerned about giving up yards; he prioritized keeping points off the scoreboard.

The reason I don't look at all of those metrics to judge a top 10 D is because it's rare for teams to be consistent in all of those categories across the board. In fact, when a team is good across the board, they have an elite D - top 3, not just top 10.

In 2016, only Seattle and Baltimore ranked in the top 10 in all four categories. In 2015, it was 4 teams - Seattle, KC, Denver, and Carolina. In 2014, it was 2 teams - Seattle and SF.

Clearly, if we're requiring greatness in all four categories we're not measuring a top 10 D, we're measuring a top 3 D.

Every one is free to weight whatever metric they deem most important higher. I choose Points Allowed because that's the bottom line IMO.
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  Re: Allbright on Donald...Not trading Donald.

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  I hear ya, but...

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  Re: How stupid is Donald nm

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  Re: Tell me exactly what they're offering...

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  Re: come in and do it the right way

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  Pressure up the middle / relative value

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  Re: Pressure up the middle / relative value

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  Agreed

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  An AD for Mack trade is intriguing...

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  Re: An AD for Mack trade is intriguing...

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  Re: An AD for Mack trade is intriguing...

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  Re: An AD for Mack trade is intriguing...

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  Re: NOOOOOO.......Please No !

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  Re: NOOOOOO.......Please No !

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  Re: Sorry43........But it flippin' hot in SoCal.

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  Re: An AD for Mack trade is intriguing...

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  Re: Would you do it?

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  Re: Would you do it?

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  Re: Would you do it?

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  Re: Would you do it?

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  Re: I'm with you!....(NM)

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  value of a player/ an hour glass really!

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  Does Gruden like DT's?

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  Re: An AD for Mack trade is intriguing...

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  Re: Allbright on Donald

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  Re: Allbright on Donald

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  Re: Allbright on Donald

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  Re: Donald still under contract

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  Re: Donald still under contract

zn177August 07, 2018 05:33PM

  Sour grapes?

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  Re: Sour grapes?

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  It makes no sense...

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  Re: 49'ers don't have much cap space anymore...

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  plus each organization hates each other

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  Insanity peppers

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: That's precisely the point...

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  Re: That's precisely the point...

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  Re: That's precisely the point...

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  Re: That's precisely the point...

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  What is the value of the "position?"

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  Re: How do you measure top 10 defense?

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  Re: How do you measure top 10 defense?

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  Re: How do you measure top 10 defense?

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  Re: How do you measure top 10 defense?

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  Re: How do you measure top 10 defense?

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  Re: How do you measure top 10 defense?

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  Re: What is the value of the "position?"

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  Re: What is the value of the "position?"

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  Re: What is the value of the "position?"

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  Re: What is the value of the "position?"

zn266August 07, 2018 10:31AM

  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

zn316August 06, 2018 10:02PM

  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

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  Re: Yeah that part sounds fishy

zn311August 07, 2018 02:56PM

  Re: Insanity peppers

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  I call BS...

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  Re: +1

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  Re: Allbright on Donald

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  I don't like it..

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  Re: Allbright on Donald

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  Re: Allbright on Donald

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  Re: Allbright on Donald

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  Re: Allbright on Donald

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  PHILLIPS on playing AD & Suh together

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  LOL, I think everybody who has 20 or more posts on this topic...

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  Re: LOL, I think everybody who has 20 or more posts on this topic...

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  Re: I have a scroll wheel blister from this, lol. nm.

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  and for goodness sakes

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