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3 times in 10 years

April 30, 2018 10:36AM
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dzrams



I think I lean towards Billy's position on this.

The fact that Bill Belichick routinely trades down and trades for future picks tells me that teams can do it, almost at will, if they want to. Having the same guy involved in that type of trade so much of the time means that he's one of the few that is willing to invest in future years.

The other thing that leads me to believe this is the case is something Snead has said multiple times when describing the inner workings of the draft room on draft day. He has stated that the phones are ringing all the time.

That leads me to believe that trading partners are there.

Snead is a mini-Belichick. He trades up and down the draft nearly as much. Neither guy has had problems finding trading partners. Snead also trades draft picks for vets like NE does. He simply hasn't decided to join the trading current picks for future picks game yet. But if he did, I'm sure he'd find trading partners just like Belichick does.

So personally I'm not buying points one and two. I think point 3 explains it all. Lifetime job security affords one the ability to plan more for the future.

Just to be clear, the debate was specifically about trading 1 current pick for 1 future pick that's a round higher. Giving up a current pick for a future one.

Belichick doesn't do that routinely. He's done it 3 times since 2009 and until this last weekend it had been 8 years since he did it last. That's more rare than routine.

Now, he has been involved in other trades where he received future picks from trading down, but he wasn't losing a pick for that year. He just agreed to take the compensation the next year. That's a different kind of trade than what the discussion was about.

Below are the trades since 2009 that Belichick has made of the type we are debating.

Everyone can judge for themselves why they happen so infrequently. To me, it's obvious it's very hard to match up a team that's willing to give up a current pick with a team that's willing to give up a future pick. Teams are reluctant to give up picks in either case.


Patriots receive: » 2019 third-round pick-- Lions receive: » 2018 fourth-round pick (No. 114) -- Da'Shawn Hand, DE, Alabama

The Patriots acquired Carolina's 2011 second-round pick during a 2010 draft day trade in exchange for the Patriots third-round pick (89th pick overall).

The Patriots acquired a 2010 second-round selection from the Tennessee Titans in exchange for a 2009 third-round selection (No. 89 overall - TE Jared Cook).




Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 04/30/2018 10:37AM by RamBill.
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  Trades for 2019 Picks

RamBill930April 29, 2018 07:11AM

  I didn't expect a higher round pick...

jemach324April 29, 2018 09:15AM

  Re: Doesn't matter how often it happens.

Billy_T191April 29, 2018 09:49AM

  Not about smart chess players

RamBill178April 29, 2018 03:02PM

  +1.....nm

Arkansas Ram169April 29, 2018 03:35PM

  exactly (nm)

Suh-weet!119April 29, 2018 04:01PM

  Re: It's about willing chess players

dzrams173April 29, 2018 10:09PM

  3 times in 10 years

RamBill131April 30, 2018 10:36AM

  Re: 3 times in 10 years

dzrams119April 30, 2018 11:04AM

  Re: 3 times in 10 years

zn127April 30, 2018 11:27AM

  Re: 3 times in 10 years

RamBill180April 30, 2018 11:56AM

  Correct, DZ.

Billy_T105April 30, 2018 01:50PM