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Re: it definitely is muddying the waters

December 27, 2017 11:23AM
The media types did not come out and say Jared was unlikely to be a top QB because he was an Air Raid QB. They bashed him on how he looked lost and condemned him because of it. In his rookie season.

I pointed out simply that historically, even the greatest QBs did not have impact first seasons. You came back with your question on Air Raid QBs, where we all know they have struggled. That is muddying the waters.

Here's an example of what I'm talking about, pulled from another post in a similar conversation on another board. It demonstrates what I'm talking about. If you want to make this all about Air Raid QBs, so be it. But in general, this list of the best QBs to ever play the game shows that you cannot make sweeping determinations on a QB in his rookie season:

Some big names from the best QB ever lists and then Goff, with breakout year being the first year they got over 90 passer rating:

Tom Brady
Physique: good height, skinny build, solid arm
Type QB: Pocket
1st season: limited snaps, 1 of 3 for 6 yards, 42.4 passer rating
2nd season: 2,843 yards, 18 TDs, 12 INTs, 86.5 passer rating
3rd & 4th season: 85.7 & 85.9 passer rating
BREAKOUT YEAR: 4

Joe Montana
Physique: short, skinny build, weak arm
Type QB: Pocket
1st season: limited snaps, 13 of 23 for 96 yards, 81.1 passer rating
2nd season: 1,795 yards, 15 TDs, 9 INTs, 87.8 passer rating
3rd & 4th season: 88.4 & 88.0 passer rating
BREAKOUT YEAR: 5

Payton Manning
Physique: good height, skinny build, solid arm
Type QB: Pocket
1st season: 3,739 yards, 26 TDs, 28 INTs, 71.2 passer rating
2nd season: 4,135 yards, 26 TDs, 16 INTs, 90.7 passer rating
BREAKOUT YEAR: 2

Dan Marino
Physique: good height, average build, strong arm
Type QB: Pocket
1st season: 2,210 yards, 20 TDs, 6 INTs, 96.0 passer rating
2nd season: 5,084 yards, 48 TDs, 17 INTs, 108.9 passer rating
BREAKOUT YEAR: 1 (freak of nature)

Roger Staubach
Physique: good height, average build, strong arm
Type QB: Pocket
1st season: limited snaps, 1 TD, 2 INTs, 69.5 passer rating
2nd season: limited snaps, 2 TDs, 8 INTs, 42.9 passer rating
BREAKOUT YEAR: 3

John Elway
Physique: good height, athletic/physical build, freak arm
Type QB: Pocket (with plus scrambling ability)
1st season: 1,663 yards, 7 TDs, 14 INTs, 54.9 passer rating
2nd season: 2,598 yards, 18 TDs, 15 INTs, 76.8 passer rating
3rd and 4th season: 70.2 & 79.0 passer rating

Brett Farve
Physique: good height, athletic/physical build, strong arm
Type QB: Pocket (with plus scrambling ability)
1st season: limited snaps, 0 TDs, 2 INTs, 0.0 passer rating
2nd season: 3,227 yards, 18 TDs, 13 INTs, 85.3 passer rating
3rd season: 72.5 passer rating
BREAKOUT SEASON: 4

Aaron Rodgers
Physique: good height, athletic/physical build, strong arm
Type QB: Pocket (with plus scrambling ability)
1st season: limited snaps, 0 TDs, 1 INTs, 39.8 passer rating
2nd season: limited snaps, 0 TDs, 0 INTs, 48.2 passer rating
3rd season: limited snaps, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 106 passer rating
BREAKOUT SEASON: 4

Drew Brees
Physique: short, average build, solid arm
Type QB: Pocket
1st season: limited snaps, 1 TD, 0 INTs, 94.8 passer rating
2nd season: 3,284 yards, 17 TDs, 16 INTs. 76.9 passer rating
3rd season: 67.5 passer rating
BREAKOUT SEASON: 4

Jared Goff
Physique: good height, skinny build, strong arm
Type QB: Pocket
1st season: 63.6 passer rating
2nd season: 2385 yards, 16 TDs, 4 INT, 101.5 passer rating (note this was earlier in this season)
BREAKOUT SEASON: 2?
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Remember these two idiots ???

Rampage2K-1336December 27, 2017 01:58AM

  Well they weren't alone. A few on this board thought Goff a bust (nm)

RockRam370December 27, 2017 02:46AM

  Goff played like a bust before this season

L.A.Rams266December 27, 2017 09:22AM

  Re:I said he sucked...

tomatosan246December 27, 2017 04:15PM

  Re: Remember these two idiots ???

Classicalwit433December 27, 2017 03:34AM

  Re: Remember these two idiots ???

den-the-coach311December 27, 2017 04:14AM

  Agreed, Wit

ArizonaRamFan265December 27, 2017 04:23AM

  What about Keyshawn?

CROMWELL21287December 27, 2017 04:19AM

  Oh no !!

waterfield249December 27, 2017 07:21AM

  Hate those guys especially the guy on the left

ferragamo79239December 27, 2017 07:30AM

  LOL, oh my!

Saguaro247December 27, 2017 07:30AM

  Yeah its funny...

sacram236December 27, 2017 08:02AM

  Re: Yeah its funny...

Rampage2K-301December 27, 2017 08:23AM

  Re: Remember these two idiots ???

Rams43332December 27, 2017 08:29AM

  Re: I would hope they learned a valuable lesson

merlin266December 27, 2017 08:56AM

  Re:Let's look at that history....

laram363December 27, 2017 09:38AM

  Re: Re:Let's look at that history....

stlramz439December 27, 2017 09:50AM

  Re: Re:Let's look at that history....

Rampage2K-261December 27, 2017 09:57AM

  Yes, double bingo

Blue and Gold236December 27, 2017 10:05AM

  Re: Strawman...

laram299December 27, 2017 10:29AM

  Re: Strawman...

Classicalwit341December 27, 2017 11:59AM

  enh....edit

zn258December 27, 2017 11:14AM

  Re: enh....

Rampage2K-238December 27, 2017 11:20AM

  Arrogance, smugness

Blue and Gold248December 27, 2017 11:22AM

  I misread...my mistake

zn393December 27, 2017 11:26AM

  Re: muddy the waters all you want

merlin263December 27, 2017 11:04AM

  Re: muddy the waters all you want

laram218December 27, 2017 11:09AM

  it's really 2

zn258December 27, 2017 11:17AM

  Re: it definitely is muddying the waters

merlin297December 27, 2017 11:23AM

  Re:"All about"....

laram260December 27, 2017 11:37AM

  Re: Re:"All about"....

Classicalwit249December 27, 2017 12:08PM

  Re: it definitely slices both ways

merlin236December 27, 2017 01:01PM

  Re: That's fair...

laram230December 27, 2017 01:35PM

  Re: That's fair...

Rampage2K-247December 27, 2017 02:00PM

  Re: You missed something integral....

laram253December 27, 2017 03:06PM

  Re: You missed something integral....

sacram409December 27, 2017 03:51PM

  That's some great info in that post, merlin. Thx! nm.

Saguaro181December 27, 2017 11:38AM

  nice find Merlin- here is Goffs updated stats.

Rampage2K-391December 27, 2017 12:22PM

  Re: thanks, and being over 100 in his second season...

merlin322December 27, 2017 12:53PM

  someone should Tweet that back to Rusillo...

LMU93256December 27, 2017 09:03AM

  Re: someone should Tweet that back to Rusillo...

Rampage2K-274December 27, 2017 09:27AM

  Isn't Rusillo the guy who was found passed out naked in someone's house?

chunkmeister276December 27, 2017 09:47AM

  looks like Rusillo left ESPN abruptly last week

ferragamo79277December 27, 2017 10:09AM

  Hey, Goff might still be "A bust"

ArizonaRamFan303December 27, 2017 08:31AM

  Re: Hey, Goff might still be "A bust"

stlrams13323December 27, 2017 08:40AM