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Re: I've been thinking about...

December 23, 2017 08:41PM
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Saguaro

By any objective measure, these two young players are outperforming almost all players of their age and experience. Could we all agree on that?
And by any objective measure, there are a few flaws that can be picked at.

So when people express reservations and dissatisfaction, is it a belief that they have already divined some fatal flaws

Nothing here is a "fatal flaw." In fact I am posing it even as a question (Jemach is maybe more directly assertive). But if it turned out to be real, and an actual pattern, I wouldn't call it "fatal." Just a flaw. If it is real, some say it can be cured with experience, some say it's part of the player's make-up. Either way no one knows. I tend to think of it as part of a guy's inherent mental make-up. I think that's who they are. That doesn't mean the player, or the team, stops improving...all players have flaws and you work around them. Kupp has other things if he doesn't have this.

I can't speak for others, but, I say anything about players that pops into my head. That is, I don't have a theme or a special focus or some kind of measuring stick. I do pay attention to "clutch mojo" in a player, like the qb in 4th quarter comebacks. It;s not systematic on my part and it's just one thing among other things I notice. In that way, I have been a little disappointed that Kupp has had a few anti-clutch moments. As I said it's a question and I don't know if it's a real thing yet or not. I see it, so I bring it up. It's just me throwing 2 cents into conversations which I imagine can go anywhere and ideally contains all kinds of different views.

For me, noticing something like that just simply does not detract from seeing and enjoying positive things, of which we're getting a lot this year. On Kupp, for example, I am noticing his run after the catch ability, it's really far more dynamic than I thought it was. I have noticed Quinn coming on and getting to be closer to what I thought he could be in this defense. And so on.

To me realism means you paint a big picture with a lot of different colors in it, and you can't do it alone, which is why conversation is nice. I never think of an honest critique of this or that player as detracting from enjoying overall success. Similarly when I said positive things about players like Keenum and Goff when the team was losing, I don't think of it as being blind to the general negative reality. It's just part of a conversation where everything can be raised.

But the OVERALL feeling is positive---the team is playing everyone tough. There are all sorts of indications that in the future, if anything, they will be even better. Just for me, even when losing, I have some positive things to say about certain players who surprise me, and even when winning, I have questions about some players we don't really fully know yet. There's of course also negative things to say when they're losing and positive things to say when they're winning and that all gets said too. For example very early this year I said Goff already IS a franchise qb and that all he needs is some seasoning to become an even better one.

Anyway my thing is not to say negative stuff or positive stuff but to say all stuff, all the time. To me that just means that if all things get talked about with many different people, you get a bigger clearer picture.

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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/23/2017 08:44PM by zn.
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  Rams rookie Cooper Kupp proves he belongs as he strives for perfection

RamBill756December 22, 2017 06:37PM

  Kupp teaches them a thing or two

leafnose333December 23, 2017 04:00AM

  Re: Rams rookie Cooper Kupp proves he belongs as he strives for perfection

zn436December 23, 2017 04:13AM

  Not too worried about Kupp’s “clutch gene”...

Rams43351December 23, 2017 07:10AM

  Re: there have been two game changing/bad plays

merlin278December 23, 2017 10:18AM

  Agreed...

JamesJM287December 23, 2017 10:28AM

  no there have been other plays and this has come up before

zn256December 23, 2017 11:57AM

  "You are clutch or you are not."?

PeoriaRa257December 23, 2017 03:22PM

  Re: "You are clutch or you are not."?

zn364December 23, 2017 03:44PM

  Re: "You are clutch or you are not."?

idaram226December 23, 2017 03:50PM

  Re: "You are clutch or you are not."?

zn255December 23, 2017 03:58PM

  Easy to remember the 3 “non clutch” plays...

Rams43220December 23, 2017 04:39PM

  what about Holt's TD drop in the SB

Deadpool304December 23, 2017 10:32AM

  did he do it a noticeable number of times?

zn261December 23, 2017 12:02PM

  He's a rookie

Speedball89247December 23, 2017 12:42PM

  What about Jerry Rice's rookie year! Full of drops.

LaloRam267December 23, 2017 04:26PM

  Re: What about Jerry Rice's rookie year! Full of drops.

zn407December 23, 2017 04:54PM

  Re: Jerry had more than just 3 drops. Nm

LaloRam361December 23, 2017 04:55PM

  and again the issue is not drops

zn268December 23, 2017 04:57PM

  Some of those drops may have been game-changing plays...

LaloRam258December 23, 2017 06:21PM

  Re: Some of those drops may have been game-changing plays...

zn226December 23, 2017 06:41PM

  He completely changed the Minnesota game...

jemach226December 23, 2017 06:53PM

  ok...Cooper Kupp snd Jerry Rice in the same light..

jemach237December 23, 2017 06:40PM

  Keep striving...

jemach262December 23, 2017 12:30PM

  I've been thinking about...

Saguaro250December 23, 2017 07:32PM

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Rams43232December 23, 2017 08:29PM

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zn322December 23, 2017 08:41PM

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Rams43228December 23, 2017 08:53PM