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Re: Wentz is so good.....

October 13, 2017 05:38AM
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den-the-coach
Wentz is a Stud and I doubt Fisher would still be the coach, but for the life of me, I cannot understand how Fisher went with Goff over Wentz. It has been reported that Fisher was against moving up, but once the Rams did, he had the choice between the two and quite frankly I don't understand how Fisher went with Goff as Wentz seemed more like his type of Quarterback. Wentz was bigger and came out of a pro style attack plus had called more plays on top of that was more of a lunch pail type of QB that was a better runner too.

Overall I wanted Wentz, he just seemed like the more obvious pick the only pluses Goff had over him was a larger body of work, better competition and Goff was superior in the red zone, also Wentz was not very durable at North Dakota State University and as Max pointed out in many posts, Wentz was a full two years older, but again I will never understand how if it was Fisher's call, he went Goff...I still believe the fact that Goff played at Cal and was from California was a major factor because if Goff played at Purdue for example and was from Ohio, I believe the Rams pick might have been different.

I doubt Fisher would still be the coach also. I don't think Wentz would have been good enough to overcome the coaching ineptitude of Fisher and his offensive staff. That said, if drafting Goff over Wentz ensured Fisher's departure, then it was worth it. I think the combination of McVay and Goff will be good enough to win a SB, even if Wentz is the superior QB.

It is quite baffling that Fisher preferred Goff over Wentz for the reasons you stated. Heck, Fisher could have gone fishing with Wentz in the offseason in Montana or North Dakota or in some other unexplored territory in the middle of nowhere that they both are so fond.

I do agree that the Cali connection played a roll in the decision. The Rams FO wanted a face of the franchise QB and lets face it, Wentz doesn't have that look. Ben Allbright has said several times that Kroenke directed the move up for a QB and Fisher made the choice. So there's that. And the word was also that Fisher preferred Mariota over Winston, and he also liked Manziel. And that kind of flies in the face of Fisher being all about the bigger physical QB. So I'm not 100% sure what Fisher's "type" is, even though on the surface you'd think he'd prefer the bigger physical guy. There is precedent here for Fisher not being the initiator of the trade up for a QB. As I recall, the Bradford-Foles trade was initiated by Snead and Demoff and then run by Fisher for buy-in. I believe its more than likely that Allbright is right about Kroenke directing the trade, or at least Snead and Demoff initiating it and getting buy-in from Kroenke. At that point Fisher was on the spot to select either Wentz or Goff, even though he may have preferred keeping the picks. In any event, I don't believe the trade up was initiated by Fisher regardless of which QB he liked best.

There is no question that Wentz looks fantastic so far. You can nitpick him for some stuff, but overall he's been great and he looks to me like the best QB to come out since Luck and Wilson in 2012. But there is a long way to go in this QB derby. As noted, Goff is 2 years younger than Wentz and he is also only 5 games into a completely new system with an entirely new coaching staff. And all this after coming from an Air Raid system that has had such a bad track record of preparing QBs for the NFL.

I do agree with Cowherd that Wentz, Prescott, and Goff are the future QB stars of the NFC. There are 12 starting QBs in the NFL under 28 as follows from youngest to oldest:

No. Player...................Age
1 Deshaun Watson.....22
2 Jared Goff................22
3 Mitch Trubisky..........23
4 Jameis Winston.......23
5 Dak Prescott............24
6 Marcus Mariota........24
7 Jacoby Brissett........24
8 Carson Wentz..........25
9 Kevin Hogan............25
10 Blake Bortles..........25
11 Trevor Siemian.......26
12 Derek Carr.............26

Believe it or not, Luck is 28 and Wilson will be 29 next month. They are not the young guns anymore. So there's the list of young QBs to pick from. All things considered, I'm happy with Goff.



~ max ~
“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 10/13/2017 05:43AM by max.
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  Wentz is so good.....

Los Angeles Lenny1179October 12, 2017 08:15PM

  Re: Wentz is so good.....

dodgerram546October 12, 2017 08:29PM

  Wentz is good so is Goff

David Deacon434October 13, 2017 03:47AM

  Wentz is better than Goff right now

moklerman485October 13, 2017 07:08AM

  Re: Wentz is better than Goff right now

zn394October 13, 2017 08:13AM

  Yup. Nice post. nm

max235October 13, 2017 08:19AM

  Wentz is 24 - Goff is 22

no name278October 13, 2017 07:32AM

  Re: Wentz is so good.....

Rampage2K-468October 12, 2017 09:57PM

  Re: Wentz is so good.....

den-the-coach318October 13, 2017 03:02AM

  Re: Wentz is so good.....

zn322October 13, 2017 05:31AM

  Re: Wentz is so good.....

max314October 13, 2017 05:38AM

  Great post that 3 years is huge

Los Angeles Lenny252October 13, 2017 08:58AM

  Agree that Brady would be bad under Fisher even

Rams_81284October 13, 2017 03:17AM

  Re: disagree that Brady would be bad under Fisher even

den-the-coach320October 13, 2017 03:33AM

  Brady IS NOT Marino like, please don't do that.

max272October 13, 2017 05:49AM

  Re: Brady IS NOT Marino like, please don't do that.

den-the-coach471October 13, 2017 08:43AM

  Re: Brady IS NOT Marino like, please don't do that.

max252October 13, 2017 10:53AM

  Re: Wentz is so good.....

zn331October 13, 2017 04:33AM

  Yeah, I agree with that.

max271October 13, 2017 05:58AM

  plus

zn410October 13, 2017 06:31AM

  Yeah, good reminder...

max274October 13, 2017 08:17AM

  +1 (nm)

zn271October 13, 2017 08:30AM

  I wouldn't go that far. Goff is better then Wentz

GreatRamNTheSky347October 13, 2017 03:40AM

  Re: I wouldn't go that far. Goff is better then Wentz (disagree)

den-the-coach341October 13, 2017 03:44AM

  Did you watch the game last night?

GreatRamNTheSky304October 13, 2017 03:46AM

  Re: Did you watch the game last night?

den-the-coach348October 13, 2017 03:56AM

  Here we go again. Wentz is nothing like Staubach.

max305October 13, 2017 05:55AM

  Re: Here we go again. Wentz is nothing like Staubach.

zn390October 13, 2017 06:34AM

  Good comp.

max301October 13, 2017 08:07AM

  Re: Good comp.

zn297October 13, 2017 08:22AM

  ZN beat me to it

six2stack370October 13, 2017 08:37AM

  I do like Goff though

six2stack280October 13, 2017 08:48AM

  Staubach was better QB and a better athlete

GreatRamNTheSky261October 13, 2017 07:05AM

  Warner to Staubach? Did you see Staubach play?

max265October 13, 2017 08:01AM

  Yes I did and Warner was very much like Staubach

GreatRamNTheSky269October 14, 2017 07:15PM

  Then I have no idea what you were watching...

max253October 15, 2017 06:50AM

  Re: Staubach was better QB and a better athlete

den-the-coach249October 13, 2017 08:50AM

  Staubach was the definition of a "Field General" NM

six2stack336October 13, 2017 08:52AM

  Re: Staubach was better QB and a better athlete

Steve306October 14, 2017 08:03AM

  4 pro bowls

wv ram280October 13, 2017 10:03AM

  a Norm Snead reference?

21Dog287October 13, 2017 04:45AM

  How about Bobby Douglas?

GreatRamNTheSky276October 13, 2017 07:08AM

  Douglass had a cannon......

21Dog290October 13, 2017 08:58AM

  Re: How about Steve Grogan?

den-the-coach391October 13, 2017 09:50AM

  I went with Terry Bradshaw

Los Angeles Lenny245October 13, 2017 08:55AM

  Wentz fumbles a lot........

HighPlainsDrifter290October 13, 2017 12:04PM

  Re: I wouldn't go that far. Goff is better then Wentz (disagree)

The_Zone397October 13, 2017 05:20AM

  Re: I wouldn't go that far. Goff is better then Wentz (disagree)

den-the-coach274October 13, 2017 05:42AM

  Re: I wouldn't go that far. Goff is better then Wentz

GarlicExile324October 13, 2017 05:00AM

  Re: Wentz is so good.....

Steve303October 13, 2017 06:45AM

  Re: no doubt - he is one good looking QB

Speed_Kills306October 13, 2017 07:14AM

  Why can’t both QB’s become outstanding players?

Rams43301October 13, 2017 07:22AM

  +1 nm

PeoriaRa261October 13, 2017 02:39PM

  This was my pick out of that draft but

Los Angeles Lenny331October 13, 2017 08:53AM

  Re: This was my pick out of that draft but

Steve215October 14, 2017 08:31PM

  Re: Wentz is so good.....I DOUBT THAT

BumRap810October 15, 2017 05:17AM

  Good thing they didn't draft Wentz in that case

9er8er267October 15, 2017 07:03AM