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Re: good way to put it....

August 15, 2017 10:31AM
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JamesJM
and it's not that I disagree with you or zn... I just think larams point is valid... as do you if you at least considered it.

I'm just not sure where even a 'pass rusher', and an elite one, rates on the scale of getting wins. High? Sure, only a fool would doubt that. Example: I am sure an elite QB, WR, RB, and I think a shut down CB contributes more during the coarse of any game and/or season to the 'winning' plays you need to make the playoffs in the NFL. Can it be a pass rushing play? Yes, it can... just not as often IMHO.

Is that debatable? You bet it is... just stating my opinion. There is something in this current 'value' judgement that skews things.. again IMHO. Elite pass rushers, like Donald, very well could be more rare than great QB's, WR's, any other postion/role.... therefore driving their value up... but in 'importance'? That's what I question. - JamesJM

I see the distinction you're making in importance versus value.

As for importance, I'd say you see very few winning teams that don't have someone who is great at rushing the passer.

Secondly, the great DC's - both Wade and GW - have consistently stated that pressure on the QB is critical in their systems.

Third, the NFL executives give the largest contracts to QBs first, pass rushers second. This point here goes to importance and value.

To me it appears in the modern NFL that pass rushing has surpassed RB contributions for sure and even great CB play. There's also plenty of teams that win now without elite WRs.

My suspicion is that if you were to poll NFL execs, they would put pass rushing 2nd in importance to great QB production.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  CAP dilemma

Saban23767August 15, 2017 08:05AM

  Re: CAP dilemma

dzrams251August 15, 2017 08:59AM

  There is a point larams makes about AD...

JamesJM224August 15, 2017 09:09AM

  Re: There is a point larams makes about AD...

zn205August 15, 2017 09:13AM

  Taking that position your are in essence saying...

JamesJM204August 15, 2017 09:26AM

  Re: Taking that position your are in essence saying...

zn196August 15, 2017 10:06AM

  Re: Taking that position your are in essence saying...

Rams43177August 15, 2017 10:12AM

  Re: There is a point larams makes about AD...

dzrams204August 15, 2017 10:07AM

  good way to put it....

JamesJM251August 15, 2017 10:18AM

  Re: good way to put it....

dzrams242August 15, 2017 10:31AM

  It's certainly interesting to discuss, dzrams..

JamesJM161August 15, 2017 11:21AM

  Re: No, thank you! (nm)

dzrams155August 15, 2017 12:43PM

  they don't even need to do that

zn179August 15, 2017 09:09AM

  Re: they don't even need to do that

Rams43187August 15, 2017 09:13AM

  Re: they don't even need to do that

zn195August 15, 2017 09:26AM

  Re: they don't even need to do that

Rams43163August 15, 2017 09:51AM

  Re: they don't even need to do that

zn169August 15, 2017 10:01AM

  Re: they don't even need to do that

Rams43211August 15, 2017 10:22AM

  Re: they don't even need to do that

dzrams166August 15, 2017 10:14AM

  Re: they don't even need to do that

zn166August 15, 2017 11:40AM

  it;s just not a real problem

zn227August 15, 2017 09:04AM

  Re: CAP dilemma

Rams43168August 15, 2017 09:09AM

  good news bad news....

Rampage2K-180August 15, 2017 09:57AM

  Is there any urgency for Donald to sign?

Atlantic Ram166August 15, 2017 12:28PM

  Not that I know of...

JamesJM158August 15, 2017 12:39PM

  Re: Not that I know of...

Rampage2K-170August 15, 2017 01:10PM

  Well, again.. it's not the ideal situation....

JamesJM291August 15, 2017 01:23PM

  Re: Well, again.. it's not the ideal situation....

Rampage2K-154August 15, 2017 01:27PM

  Yes, it might....

JamesJM169August 15, 2017 02:11PM