May 29, 2017 05:51PM
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Rampage2K-


Faulk had some issues with Colts and threatened to hold out and was traded to Rams...never held out once with Rams.

Warner was quickly rewarded by Rams after winning Super Bowl in 1999 season and signed a 7 year $47 million contract in Feb 2000 shortly after the Super Bowl.

Faulk held out for I think 2 weeks. He never reached that stage with the Colts who traded him in February. The issue with the Rams was that for Faulk, part of the deal was a new contract...and he and the Rams fought about it.

Here's a source on Faulk

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N.F.L.: ROUNDUP -- ST. LOUIS; Rams Sign Faulk
THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
AUG. 5, 1999

[www.nytimes.com]


The Rams and the holdout running back Marshall Faulk agreed yesterday to a seven-year deal worth about $45 million.


Here's the wiki on this:

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Faulk held out for twelve days as the details of his contract were worked out. On August 4, 1999, Faulk signed a seven-year, $45.2 million contract with the Rams, which was the biggest deal in team history at the time. In it Faulk was guaranteed $9.6 million including a $7-million signing bonus. The problem in negotiations was the proposed fifth year, in which Faulk would get $7 million in salary and a $5-million roster bonus. The deal was structured to prevent Faulk from ever being tagged a transition or franchise player.


You're right, Warner did not hold out, but he was not "quickly rewarded" either. I misremembered it as him holding out because for a bit there it was looking like he could hold out. The negotiations dragged on into training camp and the Rams front office got testy about it. Things were said. It got heated. As a result there were debates on this very board, with me and others defending Warner's contract demands and some posters basically criticizing him along the standard issue "greedy player" lines.

He absolutely was not rewarded quickly. And yes negotiations were tense.

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Inside The NFL

By Peter King

Back to RealityThe Rams and Cinderella star Kurt Warner are miles apart on a newdeal

June 12, 2000

Suddenly, the Kurt Warner story is not so warm, not so fuzzy.Warner, the Cinderella quarterback who went on to become theleague and Super Bowl MVP last season, could be a holdout whenthe Rams report to training camp next month.

A source close to the contract talks between St. Louis andWarner's agent, Mark Bartelstein, says that the passer is askingfor a signing bonus in excess of $10 million and that the Ramshave no intention of giving him that kind of money after just onegreat season. (Another source says Warner wants close to $15million, or what Cardinals quarterback Jake Plummer got as partof a four-year, $25 million extension he signed after his secondseason, in 1998.)

Fact is, St. Louis doesn't have to shell out that much. WhileWarner, who played in the Arena League before catching on withthe Rams, is not under contract, he has no free-agent rightsbecause he's only a two-year veteran. According to the league'scollective bargaining agreement, a player is eligible forrestricted free agency after three seasons, giving him theopportunity to solicit offers from other teams, and can become anunrestricted free agent after his fourth year. Though obligatedto pay Warner only the very mortal sum of $358,000 this season,St. Louis would like to hammer out a long-term deal.

At week's end the Rams were $1.57 million under the salary cap,but they hadn't signed any of their seven draft picks. And likeany Super Bowl champ, they have contractual clouds hanging overtheir roster. Pro Bowl cornerback Todd Lyght is unsigned. Two ofSt. Louis's five best players--wideout Isaac Bruce and 1999 NFLsack champion Kevin Carter--are eligible for unrestricted freeagency after the 2000 season, as is starting corner DexterMcCleon. Two other young stars, middle linebacker London Fletcherand wideout Az Hakim, can become restricted free agents nextwinter.

Other factors may have an impact on Warner's next contract. Latelast season, when he was playing for the second-year minimum of$254,000, the Rams paid Warner a $500,000 bonus. Also, St. Louishas already doled out starter's money to quarterback Trent Green,who is entering the second year of a four-year, $16.5 millioncontract; Green was spectacular during the '99 preseason beforetearing ligaments in his left knee. That opened the door forWarner, who, after attempting only 11 passes during his firstseason in St. Louis, threw for 41 touchdowns and 4,353 yardswhile leading the Rams to their first Super Bowl title. NowWarner wants to be paid like a top-notch quarterback.

"We're in a quandary," says Rams general manager Jay Zygmunt."You have to have some respect for the system, and the systemsays Kurt owes us two years. If Kurt is as good as they think heis, as he thinks he is, he's going to get his money. Thequestion is when."

Counters Bartelstein, "The system never contemplated what KurtWarner did. If you are not going to take care of Kurt, who areyou going to take care of? And when?"

On the prospect of holding out of camp, Warner says, "I haven'teven thought about that yet. I'm confident something will getdone before it gets to that point."

In all likelihood he will be in uniform when the Rams openagainst the Broncos on Monday night, Sept. 4. But the fairy taleof the grocery stocker turned Super Bowl hero is about to get adose of hard reality.

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Warner's base salary is $358,000 this season, the two-year veteran's minimum he signed on July 21 so he could practice while negotiations continued.


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Kurt Warner signs huge contract

July 27, 2000


[www.upi.com]

ST. LOUIS, July 27 -- Super Bowl MVP quarterback Kurt Warner signed a six-year contract with the St. Louis Rams Thursday night worth $47 million and included an NFL-record $17.5 million signing bonus.




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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 05/29/2017 06:03PM by zn.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Unless Donald is willing to take big discount, Rams should be in no hurry to sign him

Rampage2K-1381May 29, 2017 09:20AM

  Not if he doesn't show up

TonyHunter87575May 29, 2017 09:26AM

  Re: Not if he doesn't show up

Rampage2K-510May 29, 2017 09:31AM

  Is it all about the contract? Thought talks were serious??

TonyHunter87442May 29, 2017 09:39AM

  completely disagree

zn460May 29, 2017 10:29AM

  Re: completely disagree

Rampage2K-425May 29, 2017 10:52AM

  you don't know that

zn531May 29, 2017 11:12AM

  The financials you speak of make sense but consider

Rams_81510May 29, 2017 11:25AM

  Re: The financials you speak of make sense but consider

RFIP405May 29, 2017 11:36AM

  He may want to "walk" though

LesBaker390May 29, 2017 01:17PM

  Re: He may want to "walk" though

Rampage2K-468May 29, 2017 01:36PM

  In one way I agree in another I disagree

LesBaker355May 30, 2017 02:19PM

  This is different from Ziggy's mess ups

Rams_81342May 29, 2017 03:13PM

  not really

zn471May 29, 2017 03:32PM

  Warner never held out with the Rams....

Rampage2K-381May 29, 2017 04:57PM

  Yes

TonyHunter87384May 29, 2017 05:21PM

  we are both part wrong...Faulk absolutely did hold out, yes

zn432May 29, 2017 05:51PM

  Seems like I remember Warner..

sstrams341May 31, 2017 06:21AM

  Re: Seems like I remember Warner..

zn324May 31, 2017 06:35AM

  Re: Seems like I remember Warner..

TonyHunter87339May 31, 2017 07:53AM

  In case that was meant for me..

sstrams303May 31, 2017 08:55AM

  Re: Unless Donald is willing to take big discount, Rams should be in no hurry to sign him

RFIP379May 29, 2017 11:16AM

  Yes you are right

LesBaker362May 30, 2017 02:25PM

  Re: Unless Donald is willing to take big discount, Rams should be in no hurry to sign him

Rampage2K-334May 30, 2017 02:36PM

  Re: Unless Donald is willing to take big discount, Rams should be in no hurry to sign him

VANRAM465May 30, 2017 05:33PM

  2 years yes but 4 will be costly

LesBaker395May 29, 2017 01:00PM

  I favor extending him now, but with caveats...

Rams43348May 29, 2017 01:36PM

  Guaranteed $ and hold out fines

headslapper323May 29, 2017 02:01PM

  Re: Guaranteed $ and hold out fines

Rampage2K-378May 29, 2017 02:03PM

  Re: Guaranteed $ and hold out fines

headslapper389May 29, 2017 02:13PM

  Re: I favor extending him now, but with caveats...

bigjimram21351May 29, 2017 08:42PM

  Re: I favor extending him now, but with caveats...

tonyde342May 30, 2017 11:02AM

  Best player Rams have had since 2003

ferragamo79399May 29, 2017 03:56PM

  +1...

LMU93417May 30, 2017 04:07AM

  The question for me is how much he'll impact in Phillip's D.

RockRam399May 30, 2017 04:25AM

  why wouldn't he have an impact in WP's D?

zn472May 30, 2017 10:54AM

  He's not only the best player on the Rams, he's the best DT in the game

promomasterj379May 30, 2017 09:51AM

  +1.... (nm)

LMU93334May 30, 2017 11:17AM

  Re: +1.... (nm) plus, another +1 (nm)

zn368May 30, 2017 11:50AM

  Re: He's not only the best player on the Rams, he's the best DT in the game

Rams43511May 30, 2017 11:33AM

  He should be paid like the best DT in the league

promomasterj373May 30, 2017 11:40AM

  Re: He should be paid like the best DT in the league

Rams43360May 30, 2017 11:49AM

  I will go one step further

zn402May 30, 2017 12:06PM

  he's getting Von Miller money, period

LMU93940May 30, 2017 01:17PM

  For ZN and 93...

Rams43354May 30, 2017 02:10PM

  Re: For ZN and 93...

zn372May 30, 2017 05:23PM

  Re: For ZN and 93...

Rams43355May 30, 2017 05:53PM

  I just think impact trumps position

LMU93554May 31, 2017 03:31AM

  Re: I just think impact trumps position

Rams43342May 31, 2017 04:43AM

  Re: I just think impact trumps position

LMU93344May 31, 2017 05:13AM

  Re: I just think impact trumps position

Rams43376May 31, 2017 05:28AM

  other UFAs

LMU93328May 31, 2017 05:43AM

  remember, I said one of the 4-5 best defenders in the game, that's his contract peer group

zn371May 31, 2017 03:46AM

  Re: remember, I said one of the 4-5 best defenders in the game, that's his contract peer group

Rams43313May 31, 2017 04:51AM

  Troy Polamalu flashback

snowman344May 31, 2017 04:50AM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

dzrams499May 30, 2017 07:23PM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

Rams43346May 31, 2017 05:05AM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

dzrams335May 31, 2017 07:56AM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

Rams43337May 31, 2017 08:45AM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

dzrams334May 31, 2017 09:35AM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

zn335May 31, 2017 10:05AM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

Rams43355May 31, 2017 10:13AM

  need more popcorn for this

snowman345May 31, 2017 12:30PM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

zn314May 31, 2017 01:14PM

  Re: The numbers show differently...Averages for highest paid positions

Rams43459May 31, 2017 10:09AM

  Luckily we don't have a QB, DE, or LOT due big money...

promomasterj503May 31, 2017 08:17AM

  already gave our DE big money...

Rampage2K-288May 31, 2017 08:24AM

  His deal will be off the books soon, or can be

promomasterj307May 31, 2017 08:40AM

  Re: already gave our DE big money...

zn339May 31, 2017 01:19PM

  I'm just frustrated in all this... no idea who to blame...

JamesJM359May 30, 2017 03:03PM

  Re: I'm just frustrated in all this... no idea who to blame...

Rampage2K-358May 30, 2017 04:38PM

  Re: I'm just frustrated in all this... no idea who to blame...

zn363May 30, 2017 05:16PM

  I don't know is an assumption?

JamesJM367May 30, 2017 05:28PM

  Re: I don't know is an assumption?

zn351May 30, 2017 05:32PM

  Well I certainly don't know that...

JamesJM343May 30, 2017 05:36PM

  Faulk didn't hold out

TonyHunter87336May 30, 2017 06:11PM

  I already posted the evidence on this...yes he did

zn277May 30, 2017 06:35PM

  He was holding out with the colts

TonyHunter87350May 30, 2017 06:54PM

  Re: He was holding out with the colts

zn343May 30, 2017 07:17PM

  That's why the colts traded him

TonyHunter87361May 30, 2017 08:49PM

  Re: That's why the colts traded him

zn339May 30, 2017 09:24PM

  Warner definitely never held out

TonyHunter87333May 30, 2017 09:40PM

  does that post say he did?

zn454May 30, 2017 10:27PM

  Re: Unless Donald is willing to take big discount, Rams should be in no hurry to sign him

GarlicExile371May 31, 2017 12:49PM

  Interesting take...

JamesJM350May 31, 2017 01:18PM

  This is all about injuries

PeoriaRa388June 01, 2017 05:29AM

  Re: This is all about injuries

zn341June 01, 2017 05:41AM

  Re: This is all about injuries

dzrams320June 01, 2017 07:51AM

  Re: This is all about injuries

zn328June 01, 2017 08:19AM

  Re: This is all about injuries

Rampage2K-204June 01, 2017 10:33AM

  Re: This is all about injuries

zn327June 01, 2017 10:38AM

  Re: This is all about injuries

Rampage2K-344June 01, 2017 10:45AM

  Re: This is all about injuries

zn306June 01, 2017 10:50AM

  Re: This is all about injuries

Rampage2K-329June 01, 2017 10:21AM