February 13, 2017 07:50AM
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Rams43
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Rams_81
I count only 2 worthy of being in the discussion, but I wouldn't argue if you pushed me and had to drop Robinson to #3. The reason I think Robinson pick is the worst is besides FIsher's coaching of the offense, I believe if Robinson pick had not been made and we had a different person running the offense, the Rams would have been a playoff team the last 3 years.

Jason Smith

Lawrence Phillips

are the only 2 in consideration. Who else would you consider that would be a worst value than Robinson?

When I say worst pick, I mean "Value" what you received with value for that pick.

Hill and Candidate picks not as bad. They all didn't play well but there is a big difference with being a top 5 pick and a later first round pick.

Candidate had a 5.7 yards per carry and netted a 2 players in a trade. a 4th rounder and another player.

I don't think teams would offer that for Robinson. Barron had similar play if not better play than Robinson but was picked much later. Not saying barron was good. He was bad too, but a much later pick.

I think that I've made my point, 81.

You should stop digging, man.

I don’t know 43. I don’t think 81 was that far off.

Surely you would agree that a failure at the #2 pick is much worse than a failure with a much later 1st round draft pick. Keep in mind, that that #2 pick in any given year could be traded for another teams entire draft. That’s the type of value it has.

Looking at 1st round picks since 1996, I see only Philips and Smith as comparable failures and that’s mostly because they were very early 1st round picks too.

Carriker (pick #13), Hill (#15), Barron (#19), Kennedy (#12), and Trung (#31) were all failures but weren’t even close in draft pick value. Historically, the success rate of non-top 10 picks is much lower than the hit rate of top 10 or top 5 picks.

So a fail on one of those is not nearly as bad.

I suppose it could be debated who is worse between GRob, Smith, and Philips.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 02/13/2017 07:53AM by dzrams.
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  An excellent GRob post by Hacksaw_64...

Rams432016February 11, 2017 09:43AM

  Is it excellent cause its an optimist post?

max799February 11, 2017 10:40AM

  Re: Is it excellent cause its an optimist post?

Rams43619February 11, 2017 10:46AM

  It's' more than just optimistic

waterfield619February 11, 2017 11:20AM

  there's just going to be different ways of seeing things like this

zn466February 11, 2017 11:37AM

  Re: there's just going to be different ways of seeing things like this

bigjimram21409February 11, 2017 02:02PM

  I believe GRob's biggest fault

reggae619February 11, 2017 11:49AM

  Re: Is it excellent cause its an optimist post?

stlramz433February 11, 2017 01:08PM

  Re: Is it excellent cause its an optimist post?

BobCarl371February 11, 2017 03:23PM

  Re: An excellent GRob post by Hacksaw_64...

dzrams577February 11, 2017 11:45AM

  Re: An excellent GRob post by Hacksaw_64...

zn540February 11, 2017 01:16PM

  Re: An excellent GRob post by Hacksaw_64...

dzrams407February 11, 2017 02:25PM

  Re: An excellent GRob post by Hacksaw_64...

zn463February 11, 2017 02:29PM

  I base it on watching games and

Rams_81624February 12, 2017 07:52AM

  i would say to Hacksaw and you...

jemach434February 13, 2017 04:24PM

  Re: You lost me with the Jimmy Johnson quote...

laram467February 11, 2017 01:18PM

  Re: You lost me with the Jimmy Johnson quote...

Rams43473February 11, 2017 01:44PM

  Re: You lost me with the Jimmy Johnson quote...

dzrams764February 11, 2017 02:46PM

  Re: That's fair but here's the rub....

laram458February 11, 2017 03:08PM

  Re: This is fair too...

dzrams442February 12, 2017 08:10AM

  Re: This is fair too...

zn398February 12, 2017 09:54AM

  Ignorance and stupidly are not the same...

jemach407February 13, 2017 04:32PM

  Re: They learned to as hopefully Robinson will...NM

laram404February 13, 2017 04:42PM

  Repeated mistakes

RFIP390February 11, 2017 07:43PM

  Lol...

jemach344February 13, 2017 04:18PM

  Here's Hacksaw_64

BobCarl639February 11, 2017 03:34PM

  Re: Here's Hacksaw_64

dzrams554February 11, 2017 06:54PM

  his 5th year option is over $11.9M

LMU93375February 12, 2017 02:44AM

  Re: his 5th year option is over $11.9M

Rams43468February 12, 2017 06:46AM

  Re: Echo that, and agreed

leafnose526February 12, 2017 09:51AM

  Re: Here's Hacksaw_64

BobCarl492February 12, 2017 07:06AM

  why would he want to come back?

Rams_81380February 12, 2017 08:06AM

  Re: Here's Hacksaw_64

dzrams373February 12, 2017 08:06AM

  How about Scottie --- No!

jemach369February 12, 2017 09:27AM

  Spring must be approaching

ferragamo79374February 12, 2017 07:05AM

  All of that may be true but he is a liability because

Rams_81444February 12, 2017 07:38AM

  I have never seen so much forgiveness for bad play

Rams_81355February 12, 2017 07:49AM

  Isn't that the truth...

jemach372February 12, 2017 09:25AM

  This is a rose colored glass post...bottle glass...

jemach511February 12, 2017 09:22AM

  Re: This is a rose colored glass post...bottle glass...

Rams43530February 12, 2017 11:32AM

  Re: This is a rose colored glass post...bottle glass...

Hacksaw_64401February 12, 2017 12:55PM

  PFF Grade

Rams_81478February 12, 2017 03:23PM

  Re: PFF Grade

no name525February 13, 2017 03:25AM

  Re: PFF Grade

RamJr413February 13, 2017 04:04AM

  Re: PFF Grade

no name351February 13, 2017 05:08AM

  Re: PFF Grade

RamJr349February 13, 2017 05:39AM

  Re: Good points…

dzrams398February 13, 2017 07:23AM

  Re: PFF is a "joke" among NFL players and insiders...

laram433February 13, 2017 08:06AM

  Re: PFF is a "joke" among NFL players and insiders...

dzrams388February 13, 2017 10:41AM

  Re: Last I heard there were 11 teams subscribed...nm

laram1018February 13, 2017 10:53AM

  Re: That's significant...

dzrams373February 13, 2017 12:33PM

  Re: That's significant...

laram365February 13, 2017 12:43PM

  Re: That's significant...

BobCarl346February 13, 2017 01:22PM

  Re: That's significant...

dzrams353February 13, 2017 02:23PM

  Re: A Red Herring...NM

laram381February 13, 2017 02:42PM

  Re: Not sure how but it's ok...NM

dzrams327February 13, 2017 04:15PM

  Re: That's significant...

BobCarl334February 13, 2017 03:33PM

  Re: Fair enough...we disagree (NM)

dzrams339February 13, 2017 04:14PM

  Re: Last I heard there were 11 teams subscribed...nm

RamJr356February 14, 2017 03:03AM

  Re: Last I heard there were 11 teams subscribed...nm

laram698February 14, 2017 04:36AM

  Re: Last I heard there were 11 teams subscribed...nm

RamJr634February 14, 2017 05:18AM

  The key question is this:

Blue and Gold415February 14, 2017 05:43AM

  Re: False equivalence....

laram405February 14, 2017 06:33AM

  Re: False equivalence....

dzrams338February 14, 2017 07:34AM

  Re: False equivalence....

laram359February 14, 2017 07:43AM

  Re: False equivalence....

dzrams432February 14, 2017 08:07AM

  Re: I've never seen evidence of this...

laram354February 14, 2017 08:12AM

  Re: The precise number doesn't matter...

dzrams340February 14, 2017 09:08AM

  Re: I don't agree with that at all....

laram524February 14, 2017 09:18AM

  Re: Ok, we disagree again, no biggie...

dzrams433February 14, 2017 09:56AM

  It should drop

Blue and Gold494February 14, 2017 10:27AM

  Re: False equivalence....

BobCarl387February 14, 2017 09:01AM

  Re: False equivalence....

Blue and Gold454February 14, 2017 10:15AM

  Re: And...

laram396February 14, 2017 10:18AM

  Re: False equivalence....

BobCarl439February 14, 2017 04:38PM

  Re: PFF is a "joke" among NFL players and insiders...

no name428February 14, 2017 09:45AM

  Re:What number do you believe to be true and why? (NM)

dzrams281February 14, 2017 10:12AM

  Re: PFF Grade

no name391February 13, 2017 08:02AM

  Re: PFF Grade Attachments

Hacksaw_64486February 13, 2017 10:18AM

  Re: Gr8 post....NM

laram416February 13, 2017 10:23AM

  Not a fan of PFF

Blue and Gold364February 13, 2017 10:36AM

  You said "I could easily go into more detail, but i do not have the time."

LesBaker344February 13, 2017 01:45PM

  Re: This is a rose colored glass post...bottle glass...

dzrams323February 12, 2017 04:36PM

  He gets himself in the grey area because

Rams_81376February 12, 2017 04:59PM

  Re: This is a rose colored glass post...bottle glass...

BobCarl344February 13, 2017 12:28AM

  He might be a bust at LT, but also might be a serviceable Guard

RockRam353February 13, 2017 01:02AM

  This is why the draft pick is so so bad

Rams_81441February 13, 2017 02:54AM

  Re: This is why the draft pick is so so bad

Rams43452February 13, 2017 04:54AM

  They were not 2nd pick in the draft

Rams_81413February 13, 2017 05:43AM

  Re: They were not 2nd pick in the draft

Rams43343February 13, 2017 06:16AM

  Re: Rams only hope for GRob......

oldschoolramfan356February 13, 2017 06:38AM

  I count only 2

Rams_81359February 13, 2017 06:51AM

  Re: I count only 2

Rams43354February 13, 2017 06:56AM

  I think you are devaluing position of a draft pick

Rams_81575February 13, 2017 06:59AM

  Re: I think you are devaluing position of a draft pick

Rams43460February 13, 2017 07:04AM

  THat is a good point

Rams_81990February 13, 2017 07:09AM

  Re: THat is a good point

Rams43361February 13, 2017 07:31AM

  Re: I count only 2

dzrams490February 13, 2017 07:50AM

  This is the key part

Rams_81354February 13, 2017 08:15AM

  Re: This is the key part

Rams43771February 13, 2017 09:12AM

  Re: This is the key part

dzrams340February 13, 2017 10:02AM

  Re: I count only 2

Rams43346February 13, 2017 09:09AM

  it won't be a smart team....

jemach333February 13, 2017 04:34PM

  Re: An excellent GRob post by Hacksaw_64...

govane512February 13, 2017 06:53AM

  has that ever happened - i like it

Rams_81535February 13, 2017 06:57AM

  BillyT has been banging that drum for months

RamUK571February 14, 2017 05:26AM