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Kroenke is a businessman first, but wants to win

December 11, 2016 05:40AM
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The_Bad_Guy
... was more interested in the Detroit Lions winning football games than the Detroit Lions making him gobs of money. Everyone who worked for the man agreed that was the case. He HAD money.

Just because an owner isn't successful doesn't automatically mean he / she cares more about making money than winning.

Georgia, in my estimation, was an outlier. The Rams won in '99 ... by accident. But, from the moment she took over the team in '79 ... her no. 1 goal was to feather her nest. Which is why John Shaw was her go-to guy throughout her time as owner.

Kroenke is a businessman who cares about his empire. What is important to him is building his brands. He has said this out loud, and he is not a man who says very much out loud.

Kroenke flat out told Arsenal supporters (his premier league soccer club in England) that if they were all about winning championships, they should change allegiance to a different team. Which they won’t. And he knows they won’t. Arsenal’s fan base is one of the most reliably loyal in the league, and that was one of the reasons Kroenke was attracted to it as an investor in the first place. Now, Arsenal is a pretty successful club. Supporters of other teams would rip off their arms to follow a team that has their consistent level of success, but while Arsenal has won a bunch of stuff (English football has a lot of cups and titles – it isn’t like our sports leagues that have a single championship each season), they don’t spend on salaries the way Man U and Chelsea do. And…fwiw…Arsenal has had the same coach for something like 25 years.

Kroenke keeps his overhead down. If you like Steinbrenner, or Cuban, or DeBartolo, Kroenke is not your guy. Go follow another team. Kroenke isn’t a fan; he is a businessman.

BUT... the NFL is a bit different because the salary cap limits the overhead. Winning is not at odds with overhead like it is in baseball and the English Premier League. In fact, winning will improve the Rams brand, it will improve the value of the franchise. Winning will sell more tickets, and drive ticket prices up, and sell more merchandise, and get more people into his hotel/restaurant/retail district around the stadium, and make him more money. Is there any question about that? Does anybody dispute that?

Stan wants to make money, and build his Brand. And in leagues with salary caps, winning enhances earnings (whereas in baseball and soccer, winning will either inflate the payroll, or eat your roster out). So it is safe to say that Stan wants to win. As an alpha dog in an alpha dog world, with a personally financed alpha pleasure palace crown, Stan isn't likely to be satisfied with a cubic zirconia jewel in that crown...ESPECIALLY if Spanos - whom he does not like much - exercises the option to bunk up with him.

Another indication is this: Fisher got a one-year deal with a Team Option for the second year. Kroenke signed Fisher to a one-year deal with an option to drop him after next season because Kroenke takes seriously the possibility that he might want to. That to me is a "Win or Else" contract.

But while fans have decided that Fisher is a loser, and that the Rams need a new coach in order to win, there is no indication that Kroenke has reached the same conclusion. In fact, he just signed Fisher to a new deal.

And my central argument is that Kroenke – being a consistent creature of business – did not commit money to an expense (Fisher’s salary) with an eye to making a decision about whether or not to retain him later. He made his decision to retain him, and then committed the money. That’s the way smart businessmen conduct business. This notion that he could have promised him money and then wanted to see how the Rams would do in a stretch of games in November…makes no sense. Everything we know about Kroenke is inconsistent with that idea.

Now, Kroenke HAS fired coaches, and fired coaches under contract, and even IN SEASON before. But as far as I can tell, it was because the team turned on the coach.

So…imo…unless we start seeing players quit on Fisher, Fisher is here next year. And as far as Harbaugh goes, that is speculation/rumor that is totally made up. Even if Kroenke was thinking about replacing Fisher, there is nobody who would know that, and certainly nobody has contacted Harbaugh, and it is all fantasy nonsense speculation at this point. But no matter what, he certainly isn't going to go throw tons of bank at Harbaugh, or anybody else.



Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 12/11/2016 05:43AM by Zooey.
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  Colin Cowherd Show Hour 3 from Friday Dec 9th Harbaugh to Rams a real thing per Albert Breer

GreatRamNTheSky1713December 10, 2016 03:54AM

  Harbaugh to Rams "rumor" is a very real thing......

HighPlainsDrifter888December 10, 2016 05:36AM

  Re: Harbaugh to Rams "rumor" is a very real thing......

Rams43692December 10, 2016 05:41AM

  Niners

PHDram582December 10, 2016 05:42AM

  Re: Niners

21Dog462December 10, 2016 06:05AM

  Re: Niners

bigjimram21503December 10, 2016 08:20AM

  Saw an interview with Steve Spurrier a few years back.

Ramgator448December 10, 2016 10:33AM

  Re: Harbaugh to Rams "rumor" is a very real thing......

RAMbler493December 10, 2016 06:35AM

  Re: Harbaugh to Rams "rumor" is a very real thing......

bigjimram21565December 10, 2016 08:15AM

  I don't believe Harbaugh would leave Michigan

NewMexicoRam474December 10, 2016 06:10AM

  Re: Every man has his price......

oldschoolramfan385December 10, 2016 06:19AM

  I honestly believe.....

HighPlainsDrifter433December 10, 2016 06:21AM

  If Harbough comes here - he'll bring his dysfunction too....

SunTzu_vs_Camus418December 10, 2016 06:32AM

  Re: If Harbough comes here - he'll bring his dysfunction too....

Zooey573December 10, 2016 06:35AM

  agreed again, zooey.

SunTzu_vs_Camus266December 10, 2016 06:44AM

  Re: agreed again, zooey.

Zooey369December 10, 2016 07:01AM

  well, I didn't expect a kind of Spanish Inquisition!

SunTzu_vs_Camus226December 11, 2016 06:58AM

  no kidding..

zn513December 10, 2016 07:06AM

  Re:None of that is true...NM

laram531December 10, 2016 08:15AM

  it;s what I read at the time

zn459December 10, 2016 08:46AM

  Re:You did?

laram396December 10, 2016 09:09AM

  Re: Re:You did?

Zooey394December 10, 2016 09:24AM

  Re: Care to elaborate?

laram252December 10, 2016 09:27AM

  Re: Care to elaborate?

Zooey677December 10, 2016 09:48AM

  Re: There is no conflict...

laram484December 10, 2016 09:56AM

  disagree

zn296December 10, 2016 09:35AM

  Re: disagree

laram434December 10, 2016 09:36AM

  Re: disagree

zn396December 10, 2016 09:40AM

  Re: disagree

guinnessram502December 10, 2016 09:54AM

  Re: it;s what I read at the time

Rampage2K-382December 10, 2016 09:15AM

  Re: it;s what I read at the time

zn395December 10, 2016 09:38AM

  Re: it;s what I read at the time

no name210December 11, 2016 05:44AM

  Re: it;s what I read at the time

zn217December 11, 2016 05:52AM

  I live in 49er territory

Zooey333December 11, 2016 06:14AM

  yep, I thot Kelly would do better...at least on offense!

SunTzu_vs_Camus205December 11, 2016 07:00AM

  Re: If Harbough comes here - he'll bring his dysfunction too....

GreatRamNTheSky208December 11, 2016 03:30AM

  Re: If Harbough comes here - he'll bring his dysfunction too....

Zooey228December 11, 2016 04:56AM

  Chich Noll & Landry didn't win some seasons...then they did.

SunTzu_vs_Camus213December 11, 2016 07:10AM

  Re: I honestly believe.....

GreatRamNTheSky216December 11, 2016 03:27AM

  Re: I honestly believe.....Me too.

oldschoolramfan217December 11, 2016 05:44AM

  Said:"They're not just bad, they're boring" multiple times.

guinnessram508December 10, 2016 06:31AM

  Re: So, our consensus is.......

oldschoolramfan393December 10, 2016 07:53AM

  Re: So, our consensus is.......

guinnessram367December 10, 2016 09:22AM

  Re: So, our consensus is.......

oldschoolramfan343December 10, 2016 09:32AM

  I'd take Harbaugh in a heartbeat.

max459December 10, 2016 08:25AM

  Absolutely

Ram49385December 10, 2016 09:17AM

  Great......shoot me now

Paydirt634December 10, 2016 08:48AM

  Re: Of course its real

Speed_Kills568December 10, 2016 09:28AM

  Re: Of course its real

oldschoolramfan478December 10, 2016 09:38AM

  Michigan is not the NFL but it was/is his dream job

LesBaker356December 10, 2016 11:15AM

  Re: Michigan is not the NFL but it was/is his dream job

Rampage2K-382December 10, 2016 11:27AM

  Missing the point

LesBaker616December 10, 2016 12:31PM

  Re: Yep

Speed_Kills403December 10, 2016 12:58PM

  Re: Missing the point

Rampage2K-361December 10, 2016 01:28PM

  "What he wants to do"

The_Bad_Guy398December 10, 2016 02:27PM

  Harbaugh said it was "a dream of mine"

LesBaker306December 11, 2016 07:11AM

  ... said Harbaugh after being hired by Michigan

The_Bad_Guy242December 11, 2016 09:39AM

  Re: Missing the point

dzrams347December 10, 2016 07:23PM

  Re: An owner like Kronke?

Speed_Kills370December 10, 2016 12:56PM

  Look at his other teams, winning titles is an afterthought

LesBaker364December 10, 2016 01:43PM

  Come on, Les ...

The_Bad_Guy371December 10, 2016 02:32PM

  Re: Look at his other teams, winning titles is an afterthought

Rampage2K-387December 10, 2016 03:23PM

  Yup

Zooey458December 10, 2016 05:21PM

  There is absolutely no DOUBT William Clay Ford ...

The_Bad_Guy241December 11, 2016 03:53AM

  OK so you know that about Georgia?

LesBaker210December 11, 2016 05:24AM

  I'm always interested in buying bridges

The_Bad_Guy383December 11, 2016 06:44AM

  OK send me a check

LesBaker233December 11, 2016 07:04AM

  Re: OK send me a check

The_Bad_Guy398December 11, 2016 09:42AM

  Yeah, this is the thing.

Zooey195December 11, 2016 11:28AM

  I'm not in the mood for cicumlocution

LesBaker201December 11, 2016 12:07PM

  Kroenke is a businessman first, but wants to win

Zooey349December 11, 2016 05:40AM

  Well said Zooey

LesBaker203December 11, 2016 05:47AM

  +1

Drew2839222December 11, 2016 07:02AM

  Re: Kroenke is a businessman first, but wants to win

waterfield363December 11, 2016 07:13AM

  I think that's pretty fair

LesBaker265December 11, 2016 07:23AM

  No reason to argue from generalities here

9er8er209December 11, 2016 03:31PM

  City of Champions stadium will be the crown jewel...

RAMbler275December 11, 2016 01:05PM

  Yeah, he's not good

9er8er370December 11, 2016 10:42AM

  Harbaugh Rumor picking steam ...

BobCarl235December 11, 2016 04:01PM