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that just misunderstands what a meltdown is

December 10, 2016 03:01AM
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Rams_81
The QBs with the Chiefs get better. Not worse and Foles was one of them.

As was Alex Smith, who finally make his mark as an NFL QB after years.


Part of Fisher's problems is he gets offensive players to play below their capabilities. In fact, he is a good coach in most areas. He is just horrific on offense.

And no that is not an opinion. It is a documented fact that offenses play poorly under fisher with a declining offense each year as he continues to add more talented pieces that don't live up to their talent.

All I have to do is post a couple of links with the stats. That is what has happened.

Foles did indeed meltdown with the Rams and it's demonstrable. You want the details? Cause the details are easy.

But the minute it happened, and he got benched, I started (and continued) saying this---who knows if he can come back from it. Because on paper anyway nothing ruled that out as a possibility. It just wasn't going to be with the Rams (at least in part because IMO there were some behind the scenes things too that ruled him out of the Rams future).

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zn
February 12, 2016 at 4:45 pm

Can he get it back? Technically, yes, but, there’s no guarantees by any means. Often in different careers entering into a sustained meltdown mode means the guy is just a back-up from that point on.

And so far we still don't know--he has had one game really, with the coach who drafted him. Is he "back" to the consistent level he was in early 2015, before he melted down?

Now what's a meltdown? A qb who has been at least consistently okay--which Foles was from 2014 through early 2015---falls apart. In consecutive starts he plays at a clearly subpar level and you can also see the lack of confidence and the struggles that come with it. He has to be benched. It happened with Schaub in Houston and Austin Davis in his last 3 Rams starts.

There is no reason to think it's permanent. Personally I think it was Foles dealing with a combination of things in 2015.

So I don't read this as part of the (to me) bogus Fisher kills qbs theories some people promote.

Again, if a qb completely tanks for a lot of reasons, can he return from it? Well it has happened before (see Warner before he got benched in 2004 v. Warner with Arizona). Now people can say if they want that to Wisenhunt's clear superiority as a coach to Coughlin...but, I just think the player hit a wall and had to come back. Some do some don't.

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Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 12/10/2016 03:13AM by zn.
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  Re: Bill Parcels and 2 Super Bowls...

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  Re: 11-11 in the playoffs

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  22 playoff games vs 0 playoff games

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  Re: Not impressed....

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  Re: Not impressed....

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  Re: Not impressed....

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  Wow - you are penalizing for being a great coach

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  Not impressed at all...

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  Re: Aren't you the one always talking about "low bars".....

laram497December 09, 2016 12:12PM

  Re: Aren't you the one always talking about "low bars".....

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  interesting he was fired in Philly?!

SunTzu_vs_Camus341December 09, 2016 08:09AM

  Re: In respect to Jeff Fisher, I agree with you...NM

laram304December 09, 2016 08:14AM

  Re: interesting he was fired in Philly?!

BobCarl266December 09, 2016 02:00PM

  I thot we're supposed to hire successful HCs...

SunTzu_vs_Camus441December 10, 2016 06:41AM

  Agree. He's playing Fisherball. Why does it work for him?

promomasterj331December 09, 2016 10:54AM

  solid vet at QB and a great defensive backfield.

Rampage2K-354December 09, 2016 12:20PM

  not just qb

zn251December 09, 2016 03:35PM

  Re: KC lost 3 starters on the o-line over last couple of years...NM

laram334December 09, 2016 03:52PM

  which is nothing

zn333December 09, 2016 04:12PM

  Re:Maybe IF....

laram333December 09, 2016 04:13PM

  no it is nothing

zn336December 09, 2016 04:22PM

  Re: Repost the data...NM

laram327December 09, 2016 04:25PM

  what data? (nm)

zn430December 09, 2016 04:27PM

  Re: Didn't you just say this?

laram260December 09, 2016 04:29PM

  I was wrong btw, it's not 2.6 it's 3.5 every 2 years

zn326December 09, 2016 04:35PM

  Re: An article from 2010?! Please dude..

laram359December 09, 2016 04:46PM

  nice try

zn347December 09, 2016 05:04PM

  That is the thing - there is no Foles meltdown

Rams_81360December 10, 2016 02:51AM

  that just misunderstands what a meltdown is

zn327December 10, 2016 03:01AM

  Fisher creates the conditions for the meltdown

Rams_81293December 10, 2016 03:12AM

  yeah that;'s one theory and I don't buy it

zn444December 10, 2016 03:16AM

  Re: Is this a prerequisite?

dzrams297December 10, 2016 07:48PM

  Re: Is this a prerequisite?

zn338December 11, 2016 01:53AM

  Smith was playing great in SF before he got hurt

LesBaker274December 10, 2016 07:31AM

  Harbaugh was right

21Dog220December 11, 2016 04:11AM

  Re: Harbaugh leaving hurt Kaps development to...nm

laram184December 11, 2016 04:59AM

  perhaps, but......

21Dog203December 11, 2016 05:01AM

  Re: perhaps, but......

laram195December 11, 2016 05:43AM

  How do we know that Harbaugh leaving hurt Kap, then?

Drew2839354December 11, 2016 07:40AM

  Re: How do we know that Harbaugh leaving hurt Kap, then?

laram185December 11, 2016 07:55AM

  lol ok

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