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Re: Jeff Davis from RamsWire on Goff situation

September 03, 2016 04:37AM
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dodgerram
if the Rams really are close as Fisher and Snead repeatedly have said the loss of those picks is costly IF Goff can not provide an upgrade at the all important QB position for this team.

To me that's just bad logic.

First, apparently the coaches trust CK more than the writer does. The logic being, CK works as a bridge qb AND in fact the whole point of going with a bridge qb is to win now and not sacrifice games to a rookie learning curve.

Second, the picks are worth it or not worth it based on the next decade. The point of trading up is to get a franchise qb...meaning (ie. how I use the term) a consistent season in and season out starter ("franchise" does not mean "elite" necessarily unless you think Ryan or Stafford are elite.)

So based on that I don't judge the pick on the basis of the first few games of 2016.

Also, if you look back through history, there are just a small handful of times in the NFL where a team picking lower than say 10th traded up to the first spot to take a qb. That means a team with a record around 8-8, give or take, trading up. (Interestingly, in 1952 the 9-3 Rams got the 1st pick in the draft that year by landing it as a lottery bonus pick, and they took qb Billy Wade).

Arguably teams picking qbs that high will usually have records in the 1-15 to 4-12 range and so usually have nothing to lose in starting a rookie qb. Also arguably the Rams in contrast have nothing to gain.

Either way, going back to 2009 and Stafford, there have been 19 qbs picked in the 1st round. I will take "starting a rookie early" as meaning the qb gets at least 10 starts his rookie year, beginning with the first or second game of the season. Of those 19 qbs, 15 meet that criteria (4 don't begin the season as starters or play at least 10 games though those 4 do play during the season). Of those 15, 3 play for teams with a winning record their rookie year (Sanchez, Luck, Griffin). (Notably two of those later fell on hard times for different reasons). That means 12 teams starting rookies ended up with losing records. If you look just at qbs picked in the top 10, it's 12 qbs, 11 of which start the season (the exception being Locker). Of those 11, it's the same 3 playing for teams with winning records their rookie year (Sanchez, Luck, Griffin). The other 8 play for teams with losing records.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/03/2016 04:39AM by zn.
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  Jeff Davis from RamsWire on Goff situation

dodgerram1549September 03, 2016 03:54AM

  Fisher really isn't smart...

max506September 03, 2016 04:35AM

  Sadly, I'm in the same boat

Drew2839482September 03, 2016 07:05AM

  Re: Jeff Davis from RamsWire on Goff situation

zn543September 03, 2016 04:37AM

  Re: Jeff Davis from RamsWire on Goff situation

reggae327September 03, 2016 04:47AM

  agreed, I think Fisher gets 4-5yrs in new contract

SunTzu_vs_Camus355September 03, 2016 04:52AM

  spot on, zn

SunTzu_vs_Camus377September 03, 2016 04:49AM

  Re: Jeff Davis from RamsWire on Goff situation

max366September 03, 2016 04:54AM

  I agree Max, winning is what matters

six2stack361September 03, 2016 05:10AM

  Re: Jeff Davis from RamsWire on Goff situation

dodgerram373September 03, 2016 05:21AM

  Agree with all of that

NewMexicoRam353September 03, 2016 05:58AM

  Re: Agree with all of that

dodgerram365September 03, 2016 06:47AM

  I don't see the conflict

NewMexicoRam406September 03, 2016 06:56AM

  Re: Jeff Davis from RamsWire on Goff situation

bigjimram21443September 03, 2016 04:49AM

  Sometimes I just want to throw things when I read posts about Goff

RockRam458September 03, 2016 06:02AM

  I just want to throw things when I read posts about Goff

Anonymous User410September 03, 2016 06:33AM

  Re: Agree.....And another take on this topic.

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  Re: Agree.....And another take on this topic.

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  Re: Agree.....And another take on this topic.

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  Re: Agree.....And another take on this topic.

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  Re: Agree.....And another take on this topic.

AlbaNY_Ram400September 03, 2016 08:37AM

  Great Post...Teachers are soooo smart!

Ram Fan Teacher397September 03, 2016 08:22AM

  Re: Sometimes I just want to throw things when I read posts about Goff

napoli389September 03, 2016 08:15AM