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Joey Bosa situation part of a decades-old pattern for SD

August 25, 2016 11:18PM
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"The Chargers have had 28 1st round draft picks since Alex Spanos purchased the franchise in August of 1984. Of that group, the following 1st round rookies missed part or all of training camp due to contract disputes:

1985 #12: Jim Lachey.

1986 #8: Leslie O'Neal and #13: James FitzPatrick.

1987 #24: Rod Bernstine.

1989 #8: Burt Grossman.

1990 #5: Junior Seau.

1991 #9: Stanley Richard.

1998 #2: Ryan Leaf.

2001 #5: LaDainian Tomlinson.

2002 #5: Quentin Jammer.

2004 #4: Philip Rivers (via trade).

2005 #12: Shawne Merriman.

2008 #27: Antoine Cason.

2009 #16: Larry English.

2010 #12: Ryan Mathews.

2011 #18: Corey Liuget.

2016 #3: Joey Bosa."

* It was pointed out elsewhere the Chargers may have have had the same guy negotiating their contracts for nearly two decades. As you can see, 7/17 (or more than 40%) of these draft picks precede that time frame. All signs point to Spanos being a miserly Scrooge.

On the Joey Bosa holdout, I call bull$#!#
[www.boltsfromtheblue.com]

"For both sides, the entire holdout comes down to a debate of precedent.

The Bosa camp is arguing that since the slotting system, which assigns the length, total value and bonus money in rookie deals based on where the player is drafted was instituted, the precedent has been repeatedly set for top five picks to receive either no offset or no deferment.

For the Chargers part, they would have us believe removing the offset language and/or eliminating the bonus deferment simply isn't done. They would have us believe they are simply pushing for what all other teams write into their rookie contracts, that they are merely protecting the way they do business and cannot set a new precedent for anyone, especially not a rookie.

But what if the facts paint a different portrait entirely? What if the Chargers are full of $#!#?

Fact: Since the slotting system went into effect in 2012 (five drafts), every third overall pick has signed a contract in which either the offset was removed or their signing bonus was paid in full by the end of their rookie season, as Bosa is requesting.

Fact: 16 of the 20 top five picks from 2012-2015 either received their bonus by the end of their rookie season or had the offset language removed from their deal.

Fact: Three of the top five picks, and five of the top seven picks to have signed this year, either have no offset language or will receive their bonus before the end of the 2016 season.

Fact: Both Jared Goff and Jalen Ramsey signed deals which guaranteed them their signing bonus before the end of the 2016 season AND removed the offset language.

What does all this mean? Simply put, it means that while it may not be the "Chargers way" to negotiate the offset language or the timing of the signing bonus, it is how the league conducts its business with its top five picks. This really makes how they go about their business irrelevant and makes them look petty.

And now the kicker...Joey's camp has reportedly been very upfront about their willingness to compromise on these points by settling for one or the other. And they have communicated this stance since May. They aren't, as some has reported, holding out for both. Much to the contrary, it's pretty clear the offset language would become a non-issue if the team would just give some ground on the bonus.

In other words, the Chargers earned the third pick in the draft, entertained trade offers, and elected to draft a player they've coveted for nearly three years. They made that player the first defensive player off the board, gushed about his having come from a "football family", raved about his work ethic and desire to be great...and then promptly tried to strong-arm he and his super agent into taking a deal no third overall pick has ever accepted in the history of the slotting system because "that's how they do business". Like I said, I call bull$#!#.

I think what bothers me the most about this whole ordeal is that the Chargers had to know this was the cost of doing business in the top five and they still decided to attempt to strong-arm Tom Condon and Joey Bosa into taking a deal no other third overall pick has accepted in the history of the slotting system. Frankly, trying to pull this garbage with Tom Condon, of all agents, speaks volumes of just how out of touch they are with the rest of the league and, of course, sheds an unfavorable light on how they go about their business."



Edited 3 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2016 11:41PM by Kind of Blue/Gold.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Not Rams....but....what to make of this Joey Bosa issue?

RockRam1336August 25, 2016 02:29AM

  And his mommy weighed in on it too which is a BIG red flag

LesBaker1003August 25, 2016 05:01AM

  both ends are greedy.....

Rampage2K-497August 25, 2016 05:51AM

  He wants the money all in the first year

LesBaker513August 25, 2016 05:59AM

  Re: He wants the money all in the first year

Rampage2K-974August 25, 2016 06:05AM

  It's a matter of just months

LesBaker597August 25, 2016 06:46AM

  I think that's all just an excuse....his mom let it slip...

SunTzu_vs_Camus471August 25, 2016 07:00AM

  I will say, I do NOT see his fit with the Chargers.

RockRam411August 25, 2016 07:08AM

  EXACTLY, RR !!!!! Bosa is a silly fit in that 3-4 defense. imo

SunTzu_vs_Camus418August 25, 2016 07:14AM

  I think he's a lot like JJ Watt

9er8er510August 25, 2016 03:59PM

  Re: dude would fit right in with the Rams nm

Speed_Kills435August 25, 2016 04:55PM

  Watt 3 X Defensive MVP?

Kind of Blue/Gold395August 25, 2016 06:47PM

  Doubtful he's Watt

9er8er336August 25, 2016 07:21PM

  Bullied?

RockRam462August 25, 2016 07:00AM

  Re: Bullied?

Rampage2K-565August 25, 2016 11:50AM

  Re: both ends are greedy.....

BobCarl431August 25, 2016 02:35PM

  would you trade a 2nd rounder or two for him???

SunTzu_vs_Camus543August 25, 2016 06:32AM

  too late....

Rampage2K-528August 25, 2016 06:39AM

  What makes you think getting traded would change his stance

LesBaker597August 25, 2016 06:44AM

  Bosa needs to sign like every other rookie

six2stack453August 25, 2016 06:50AM

  Re: Not Rams....but....what to make of this Joey Bosa issue?

Rams43458August 25, 2016 06:50AM

  SD and Condon have a history

Kind of Blue/Gold462August 25, 2016 09:48AM

  Re: at this point if I were Bosa

merlin428August 25, 2016 10:04AM

  I'd be surprised/shocked if he doesn't sign before the season

Kind of Blue/Gold429August 25, 2016 10:13AM

  There is also this

LesBaker491August 25, 2016 10:16AM

  SD hasn't had a pick higher than #11 since 2011

Kind of Blue/Gold489August 25, 2016 10:22AM

  I think you are misunderstanding that point

LesBaker496August 25, 2016 10:31AM

  Are you saying Bosa is making more than Goff, OVERALL?

Kind of Blue/Gold417August 25, 2016 10:41AM

  I'll try again

Kind of Blue/Gold465August 25, 2016 07:45PM

  Re: There is also this

BobCarl418August 25, 2016 02:45PM

  Re: SD and Condon have a history

BobCarl452August 25, 2016 03:22PM

  Re: SD and Condon have a history

BobCarl482August 25, 2016 03:35PM

  Re: SD and Condon have a history

Kind of Blue/Gold474August 25, 2016 06:38PM

  Kirwan had some good info on this yesterday

promomasterj575August 25, 2016 10:25AM

  Then this kid is even more delusional than I thought.

RockRam486August 25, 2016 10:32AM

  The organization is even more delusional than I thought.

Kind of Blue/Gold416August 25, 2016 10:47AM

  From the reporting I get NOBODY pays the full SB in one lump sum

RockRam446August 25, 2016 12:29PM

  I've heard NOBODY has been asked to make BOTH concessions

Kind of Blue/Gold409August 25, 2016 08:19PM

  Joey Bosa situation part of a decades-old pattern for SD

Kind of Blue/Gold419August 25, 2016 11:18PM

  Different GM but same owner

Kind of Blue/Gold465August 25, 2016 10:52AM

  Just curious, why do most fans take the club's side on things like this?

promomasterj445August 25, 2016 10:38AM

  In this case the player is pretty much wrong

LesBaker546August 25, 2016 01:29PM

  Thing is, there is not one dime difference.

RockRam432August 25, 2016 02:16PM

  My understanding

9er8er476August 25, 2016 03:48PM

  And thats not how it works and he isn't going to change things

LesBaker410August 25, 2016 04:21PM

  Wait, are you now saying no players negotiate

Kind of Blue/Gold429August 25, 2016 08:42PM

  It is best if you both....

73Ram477August 26, 2016 08:35AM

  So don't draft him if they can't offer a standard contract

Kind of Blue/Gold388August 25, 2016 09:27PM

  Re: This article makes it look likeā€¦

dzrams415August 26, 2016 03:29PM

  SD may be bickering over essentially $30,000 in interest

Kind of Blue/Gold397August 27, 2016 12:24PM

  So greed is ok for NFL and teams, not for players?

promomasterj425August 25, 2016 02:27PM

  Chargers are cheap

Kind of Blue/Gold429August 26, 2016 08:34AM

  I don't think most fans do

9er8er490August 25, 2016 03:09PM

  I blame the Chargers

GreatRamNTheSky385August 26, 2016 01:39AM

  Agreed - a few articles explaining the respective positions

Kind of Blue/Gold380August 26, 2016 08:59AM

  Article: NFL GMs laughing at Chargers for ruining Joey Bosa's rookie season

canadaram528August 27, 2016 05:04AM

  I'm tellin ya....I think the Ram make a play for him in the reg season....

SunTzu_vs_Camus450August 27, 2016 08:38AM

  And these are the guys the NFL wants to bunk the Rams with

Old Goat435August 27, 2016 01:24PM

  SD/Bosa finally come to an agreement on contract impasse

Kind of Blue/Gold463August 29, 2016 11:49AM