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LesBaker
He's making more this year, not over the life of the contract and that is salary they are talking about. Not bonus money. They already have offered more bonus money than any rookie has gotten since 2011. The point about Wentz is that Bosa is SLOTTED CORRECTLY as far as salary and was offered more bonus money than anyone ever under the new CBA and yet he still wants more. You are reading that as if the Chargers are using to make themselves look generous, when all it is is the simplicity of he's getting paid as he should as far as 2016 salary.

Explain how that is on the Chargers?

Here is what we know.

He is slotted correctly as far as his contract. He has been offered more signing bonus dollars than anyone under the new deal. He wants ALL of his bonus money paid this season which has never been done for any player. He wants his contract to state that the Chargers will pay him the entirety of the contract even if he signs a new deal with a new team (I've never heard of that have you)

Yet this is on the Chargers?

I don't see it.

BTW, that isn't the ONLY thing I said.

You were talking about THIS year, not the life of the contract. Got it. But even this is a little ambiguous. Maybe this STILL isn't what you are referring to, but one of the key sticking points is whether the bonus money is paid out this year (what Bosa's camp is looking for IF they make the offset language concession) OR some in 2017. Unless I'm misunderstanding this, you seem to view pay this year as mutually exclusive with bonus pay ("He's making more this year, not over the life of the contract and that is salary they are talking about. Not bonus money." )

Is the money they claim is unprecedented bonus-related or not? Elliot signed a $24 million contract, $16 of which they call a signing bonus. Bosa is SLOTTED for something like a $17-$18 million SIGNING BONUS. The whole point of the labor agreement was precisely to have a SLOTTING system for things like total $$ and how the bonus is structured. The two areas that can be negotiated are offset language and HOW the bonus is structured (there may be one or two other minor details that are negotiable, such as when roster bonuses are payable within the football calender year?).

I think the part that imo you are missing is that there is a reason that Goff may be receiving less of his signing bonus in 2016 (and more in 2017), and it sounds like Winston, too. The Rams (or TB, as the case may be) made the concession on the offset language, which, I THINK, means if Goff is cut tomorrow, the Rams will pay whatever the guaranteed part of the contract is, REGARDLESS OF WHETHER OR NOT HE IS RE-SIGNED BY ANOTHER TEAM (enabling the player to so called "double dip".

My understanding, Bosa is willing to EITHER forego the offset language OR the 2016 bonus (full), but NOT BOTH. And no player in Bosa's position has been asked to concede BOTH. One or the other. I'm not sure about no player receiving his entire bonus in year one of their contract, but it wouldn't alter my stance IF the point remains that no other player in a comparable draft position has been asked to make BOTH concessions, which is what SD is not only asking for, but insisting on.

If it is true that no other team has asked both, than hard for me to see how it isn't at least on both SD and Bosa. Let me try to rephrase this. There are different kind of wrongs or bads. If Bosa costs himself some money (and he won't much if he signs before the season, again, there are limits to the antics SD can pull under the new slotting system, maybe they screw him by forcing him to take more bonus money in 2017?), we might think that is dumb, but ultimately it is his call, it only hurts himself. OTOH, if SD, through being stubborn, prolongs and makes these negotiations needlessly protracted, who does THAT hurt? The team, and at least hundreds of thousands of fans (not sure about a million or millions?). Which is worse?

Is there any question that if this is ANY other of the 31 teams besides SD, that Bosa wouldn't be signed by now? And if not, clearly that reflects poorly on SD.

It was right in the OP (original post). Since this is how SD does business, blah blah blah, it is Bosa's fault. But that should have been an end thread/ moment. WHY do we have to accept that at face value? Screw SD. If they are the only team that does things that way, why aren't we asking the cause of SD being rogues, renegades and contrary through sheer cussedness? It is THEIR problem. Why make it Bosa's?

I'm sure you realize that if the bonus was paid in part in 2017, we are talking just a few months difference. So we could call Bosa short sighted, but no less SD.

Lastly, an important point imo you didn't address, but when SD cites as a reason Bosa is being unreasonable is that they are paying him more than any other Charger rookie since 2011, WHEN THEY HAVEN'T DRAFTED HIGHER THAN #11, AND BOSA IS #3, that is just straight up cornball. They are painting Bosa as the bad guy and themselves as the good guy incredibly clumsily. If their case was the reasonable one, and they were in the right, why would they need to resort to such blatantly cheap and tawdry chicanery. Its a bad look. It confirms existing impressions they are a cheap and second rate organization. IMO.

I respect you and your opinion, but not giving SD the benefit of the doubt on EVERYTHING here, for some of the reasons outlined above.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 08/25/2016 07:51PM by Kind of Blue/Gold.