August 08, 2016 06:00PM
Pace to me was an underachiever - he could have been the greatest of all time. I believe he was the greatest talent of all time at left tackle, but didn't produce the greatest results of all time. He was definitely a great player though.

I feel he fell short of what he could have been if he had not slacked off and skipped all the workouts year after year and missed entire preseasons.

Still, no argument that his credentials are Hall of Fame credentials and he made a big difference from 1999-2001. My problem with him is his performance 2002 and after.

Lastly, for me, to exclude him from the Hall of Fame simply comes down to the simple fact, that he bailed on his teammates, simply because he could. It really wasn't about money as he made up his mind to play from the franchise tag from the get go because he could maximize his money. When teammates are working to get better and specifically trying to develop a cohesive offensive line unit, I think it would help the team to work with them.

I believe he held out 4 of his seasons in his career. His rookie year and 3 others.

On a more positive note, the little of his speech that I heard, I liked very much and maybe he has grown as a man through the years! I need to watch it all yet.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  NFL.com: Orlando Pace hof speech

Speed_Kills1153August 07, 2016 11:52AM

  Re: NFL.com: Orlando Pace hof speech

21Dog734August 07, 2016 12:10PM

  Not a fan

reggae855August 07, 2016 02:41PM

  Me neither

LesBaker593August 07, 2016 03:02PM

  Seriously?

moklerman579August 07, 2016 03:49PM

  Re: Seriously?

Rampage2K-633August 07, 2016 04:08PM

  I agree.....

Paydirt517August 07, 2016 04:20PM

  Back off I am from CLE

LesBaker559August 08, 2016 02:10PM

  Where did I say he's over rated? I didn't say that

LesBaker455August 08, 2016 02:07PM

  Pace to me was an underachiever yet

Rams_81380August 08, 2016 06:00PM

  Re: Not a fan

RamFanInPA572August 07, 2016 04:03PM

  Re: Not a fan

moklerman619August 07, 2016 04:21PM

  Re: Not a fan

RamFanInPA504August 07, 2016 04:27PM

  Re: Not a fan

TonyHunter87484August 07, 2016 04:59PM

  Re: Not a fan

Rampage2K-591August 07, 2016 05:03PM

  Re: Not a fan

TonyHunter87454August 07, 2016 07:03PM

  Re: Not a fan

moklerman704August 07, 2016 07:20PM

  Re: Not a fan

RamFanInPA507August 07, 2016 05:04PM

  Could have been one of the best?

moklerman512August 07, 2016 06:03PM

  Re: Could have been one of the best?

TonyHunter87480August 07, 2016 07:08PM

  Re: Could have been one of the best?

21Dog623August 07, 2016 08:45PM

  Re: Neither was Marshall Faulk

Speed_Kills540August 07, 2016 05:21PM

  You come up with some strange opinions sometimes

GreatRamNTheSky641August 08, 2016 01:28AM

  Re: You come up with some strange opinions sometimes

RamFanInPA592August 08, 2016 03:12AM

  Re: You come up with some strange opinions sometimes

waterfield507August 08, 2016 07:36AM

  Strange takes..

RustyRay532August 08, 2016 06:38AM

  Re: I agree

Speed_Kills638August 08, 2016 07:51AM

  Glad to see you back.

RustyRay579August 08, 2016 02:17PM

  Re: good to be back

Speed_Kills491August 08, 2016 02:39PM

  Not sure why this is difficult to uinderstand

LesBaker625August 08, 2016 04:40PM

  Re: Not sure why this is difficult to uinderstand

RamFanInPA618August 08, 2016 05:10PM

  I remember you

LesBaker487August 08, 2016 05:31PM

  Re: I remember you

RamFanInPA525August 08, 2016 05:45PM

  I can relate

LesBaker458August 08, 2016 06:09PM

  Re: to be fair

Speed_Kills460August 09, 2016 06:09AM

  Re: Not sure why this is difficult to uinderstand

moklerman381August 08, 2016 06:13PM

  "money mattered more"

TonyHunter87389August 08, 2016 07:45PM

  I agree with those who think Pace more than deserved it

zn534August 07, 2016 07:28PM

  here's the speech

zn535August 07, 2016 09:46PM

  Re: Pace !! Acknowledges Dick Vermiel, Martz, Hanifan, and the other OL

leafnose546August 08, 2016 03:20AM

  Re: awesome...thanks for this full speech posting

Speed_Kills588August 08, 2016 07:55AM