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Re: Michael Irvin on Inside the NFL

February 08, 2019 08:50PM
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I can't agree. In fact, I just attached something (I can't get the photo to link) where I believe that our multi million dollar WR should have caught two dropped TDs.

That isn't to take away from a down night.....but he got pressured on over 70% of the snaps. Bad play calling and bad line play added to his bad night.

But I'm sure not thrilled with Cooks dropping TDs that were right in his hands. Yes, under duress....but in his hands.

Someone said the two Cooks plays were 50/50 balls....Irvin stands up yelling....those are 80/20 balls if Michael Irvin is the WR....it's 50/50 if it's Cooks.

He was adamant that those two have to be caught.

He's right....they were tough plays, but top level WR's would make those plays.

On the 70% pressure number....here's the actual numbers:

The Patriots' defense pressured Goff on 38 percent of his dropbacks, and the young quarterback finished 3-of-12 when under duress. That's tied for the worst completion percentage for any QB that threw at least 10 passes under pressure in a Super Bowl. Meanwhile, the Rams only pressured Brady on 14 percent of his dropbacks.

I think the 70% number came from Polian saying: I estimated the Pats line was winning at the snap of the ball about 70% of the time, which is amazing.That doesn't equate to pressure....they were just getting a jump on the Rams O-line on most snaps, in his estimation.

Another amazing stat--

On the night, 45 percent of the Rams' 60 plays went for zero or negative yards -- the second highest percentage for the Rams in a game this season, after their 15-6 loss to the Bears in Week 14.

Also, the Rams only ran 22 plays in the first half (aside from special teams plays) vs. 44 for NE.

They had 6 drives in the first half that all ended in punts.

They started the first 5 drives with running plays. People say they should have run more, but they weren't having much success running and when you're not getting first downs you're not running very many plays.


Yes Polian estimated that the Patz beat the Rams OL 70% of the time.

On direct qb pressure. This number is from Vinny Bonsignore and his last q & a.


Of his 42 dropbacks he was pressured 18 times and, in those situations, he was 4 of 14 for 47 yards, a pick, and sacked four times.

That's direct pressure on 42.8% of his attempts. That is a lot.

So the question I always ask remains relevant...how many qbs play well under that much pressure? (Don't lose sight of this. 42% is a lot.)

When not under pressure he was 15 of 24 for 182 yards.

It's a shame btw that the Rams were reduced to relying on Cooks that way because he is not a complete receiver. He's not a go-to guy who makes contested catches. He's far more than a fast one-trick pony but he's not the guy who should have been the main weapon, which was all due to circumstances--the Patz doubled Woods and consciously worked to take him out of the game.

  Vikings Jared Goff v Bears/Pats Jared Goff

Speed_Kills435February 08, 2019 05:53PM

  completely disagree

zn157February 08, 2019 06:14PM

  Re:Goff is the SAME...the circumstances changed--Peyton Manning Comp

Steve82February 08, 2019 11:07PM

  Re: Good points both of you

Speed_Kills68February 09, 2019 04:49AM

  Re: Good points both of you

zn54February 09, 2019 06:17AM

  Facts are not relevant

waterfield37February 09, 2019 09:17AM

  Re: sort of like Gurley being too hurt to contribute

Speed_Kills30February 09, 2019 10:46AM

  I think that's true, he was too hurt to play 100%

zn29February 09, 2019 11:48AM

  we're approaching this differently W

zn26February 09, 2019 11:49AM

  Re: Good points both of you

RamsFanSinceLA13February 12, 2019 07:32AM

  not many QBs can do well when they are one dimensional

ferragamo7951February 08, 2019 06:25PM

  Re: Vikings Jared Goff v Bears/Pats Jared Goff Attachments

Ram4969February 08, 2019 06:31PM

  Michael Irvin on Inside the NFL

RamBill105February 08, 2019 07:07PM

  Fantastic breakdown, thanks

Ram4958February 08, 2019 07:27PM

  Re: Michael Irvin on Inside the NFL

zn83February 08, 2019 08:50PM

  Yep cant do that if Kupp is there

Hazlet Hacksaw38February 09, 2019 05:09AM

  If cooks makes those catches

PHDram43February 09, 2019 04:25AM


Ram4932February 09, 2019 08:07AM

  Re: Cooks

Speed_Kills42February 09, 2019 04:55AM

  I don’t think he’s top 10.......

Rampage2K-93February 08, 2019 07:53PM

  Re: top 5?

Speed_Kills48February 09, 2019 05:10AM

  Re: top 5?

Rams4349February 09, 2019 06:04AM

  Re: it’s ok 43 we can disagree on where he slots

Speed_Kills33February 09, 2019 08:18AM

  Re: it’s ok 43 we can disagree on where he slots

Rams4332February 09, 2019 08:23AM

  Re: Yup

Speed_Kills17February 09, 2019 08:34AM

  no way do I put Cam Newton

ferragamo7935February 09, 2019 07:10AM

  Re: ok but I bet you more people

Speed_Kills26February 09, 2019 08:32AM

  we will have a better idea

ferragamo7925February 09, 2019 02:54PM

  Re: yeah its killing me

Speed_Kills24February 09, 2019 05:00PM

  Re: we will have a better idea

AlbaNY_Ram19February 10, 2019 04:58AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rampage2K-49February 09, 2019 08:44AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rams4329February 09, 2019 09:03AM

  Re: top 5? Why not? NFL.com has him 5th ranked also....

Rampage2K-26February 09, 2019 09:18AM

  This might make you feel better.......Tom Brady's 7 worst games

Rampage2K-36February 09, 2019 09:21AM

  Re: top 5?

dzrams29February 09, 2019 09:34AM

  I rate him top 8- top 10 at worst

LMU9325February 09, 2019 01:15PM

  Re: I rate him top 8- top 10 at worst

Speed_Kills28February 09, 2019 05:02PM

  I'll be a little bit vague here...

LMU9335February 10, 2019 04:10AM

  Re: I'll be a little bit vague here...

zn28February 10, 2019 05:54AM

  Re: Good list.

Speed_Kills23February 10, 2019 06:50AM

  Re: Good list.

Rampage2K-29February 10, 2019 07:56AM

  Re: Good list.

dzrams20February 10, 2019 08:57AM

  Ryan did have an advantage early

zn23February 10, 2019 09:22AM

  Re: Idk

Speed_Kills18February 10, 2019 09:41AM

  Re: Idk

zn21February 10, 2019 10:12AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

Speed_Kills22February 10, 2019 10:57AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

dzrams20February 10, 2019 11:15AM

  Re: Thx dz. now we are talking

Speed_Kills18February 10, 2019 11:58AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

zn18February 10, 2019 11:39AM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

dzrams19February 10, 2019 12:29PM

  Re: im not talking about having a bad game

zn19February 10, 2019 01:15PM

  Re: Idk

GroundPounder28February 10, 2019 04:06PM

  Re: Idk

zn21February 10, 2019 04:24PM

  Re: Idk

GroundPounder26February 10, 2019 05:07PM

  Re: Idk

zn28February 10, 2019 05:14PM

  Re: Idk

Rams4313February 11, 2019 07:30AM

  Goff has a winning record against your list of QBs

JoeMad16February 12, 2019 07:56AM

  top 10 QB with McVay Gurley Kupp

Rams_8136February 09, 2019 12:33PM

  Goff v Vikings highlights

Speed_Kills36February 10, 2019 07:27AM

  Step back for a while

max58February 10, 2019 11:59AM

  Re: Step back for a while

Rampage2K-37February 10, 2019 03:04PM

  Re: good stuff max

Speed_Kills29February 11, 2019 06:11AM

  Re: good stuff max

Rams4323February 11, 2019 07:36AM


zn23February 12, 2019 02:36PM

  I dunno Speed

max18February 12, 2019 01:06PM