Sorry Ekern.. didn't mean they beat out the Rams..

I only meant they're still alive for a spot in the playoffs at 4-10.... at this time no different than the Rams situation sitting on 10-4 as far as neither having clinched but both still alive. Should things fall the Giants way, (nearly impossible), to where they make the playoffs that would also put the Rams in the playoffs. Make sense? - JamesJM