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November 02, 2020 11:03AM
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It's PFF that tells us they are used by every team.

What they DON'T tell you is what OTHER stats services every NFL team uses.

For example SportsRadar, which is the source for PFR's stats too.

And if we can show the flaws in PFF's approach to things--and they exist and they do come up in discussion--so can teams.

Which is why teams use more than ONE stat source. They're professionals, they know that you are only informed about rankings and stats if you seek diverse sources. So no TEAM would use just ONE source.

That's just some people here doing that.




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Never did I say that teams use only ONE source. In fact I think I specifically said that "What they [PFF] say is not gospel but they definitely provide legit metrics that are useful."

Stated another way, they are one source that teams use. Teams wouldn't use a source at all if they thought they were a joke.

I don't believe you provided a counter to that specific point. Instead, what I took from your post was that SportsRadar, PFR, FO, etc. are also legit sources of data. I'm not disputing that.

It means that when WE use just one it's not the holy grail or direct access to high truth we often claim it is.

They aren't stats. They're PFF's stats and grades.

If we want to actually be objective, as opposed to just wanting to be PFF advertizers, we never put a stat or grading down to just one source.

Objectivity means knowing the RANGE of different takes on important aspects of the game.

Which is why when someone says "PFF says" it's kinda interesting but also kinda leaves me cold.

What do OTHER sources say. Put em next to each other.

And remember we know all about PFF because PFF is selling itself to us.
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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 11/02/2020 11:04AM by zn.
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  Anyone have Goff’s PFF numbers?

max404November 02, 2020 08:07AM

  Re: Anyone have Goff’s PFF numbers? Who cares?

Rampage2K-157November 02, 2020 08:17AM

  Re: Anyone have Goff’s PFF numbers? Who cares?

max149November 02, 2020 08:21AM

  Re: Anyone have Goff’s PFF numbers? Who cares?

Rampage2K-136November 02, 2020 08:32AM

  Re: Anyone have Goff’s PFF numbers? Who cares?

waterfield106November 02, 2020 08:35AM

  Re: Anyone have Goff’s PFF numbers? Who cares?

Rampage2K-175November 02, 2020 08:39AM

  They're employed by every NFL team

Ram_Ruler140November 02, 2020 08:31AM

  Re: They're employed by every NFL team

Rampage2K-148November 02, 2020 08:36AM

  FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

max137November 02, 2020 08:45AM

  Re: FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

Rampage2K-129November 02, 2020 08:53AM

  Re: FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

max190November 02, 2020 08:58AM

  Re: FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

Rampage2K-203November 02, 2020 09:05AM

  Re: FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

max115November 02, 2020 09:23AM

  Re: FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

Rampage2K-229November 02, 2020 09:30AM

  Re: FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

moklerman188November 02, 2020 10:24AM

  Re: FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

nicecatchellard115November 02, 2020 10:27AM

  Re: FO had Goff ranked 13th going into Miami game

nicecatchellard117November 02, 2020 09:37AM

  Well you're gonna get what you search for lol

Ram_Ruler223November 02, 2020 09:02AM

  Re: It's hard to counter the "They're employed by every NFL team" argument...

dzrams139November 02, 2020 09:03AM

  yes it is easy to counter

zn128November 02, 2020 09:34AM

  Re: But you didn't counter...

dzrams132November 02, 2020 09:45AM

  but it's an important point

zn125November 02, 2020 11:03AM

  That's a reasonable take. However

Ram_Ruler109November 02, 2020 11:05AM

  I changed the subject

zn114November 02, 2020 11:20AM

  Better conversations

Ram_Ruler97November 02, 2020 11:37AM

  Re: Better conversations

zn104November 02, 2020 11:40AM

  Thanks for the spell check.

Ram_Ruler98November 02, 2020 12:04PM

  Re: Thanks for the spell check.

zn100November 02, 2020 12:16PM

  Re: You're just repeating what I said...

dzrams99November 02, 2020 11:14AM

  Re: You're just repeating what I said...

zn101November 02, 2020 11:22AM

  Re: Didn't realize you were changing the subject...ok...nm

dzrams160November 02, 2020 11:30AM

  this still doesn't discount pff

Ram_Ruler127November 02, 2020 10:37AM