January 21, 2020 05:05AM
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zn
Well what's funny though is everyone says it's never just the qb, but then some people say it's never just the qb, and sometimes the response is, you're underestimating the qb, and then everyone gets back to saying it's never just the qb. Though then what gets talked about is the qb.

Mahomes would not look as good as soon without Reid, Reid's offense, that OL (which is a good one), and those weapons. Saying that is not supposed to be taken as detracting from the qb. And here's the response we DON'T need to me saying that--yeah but Mahomes is so talented. Well a lot of us (you and me included) were already saying that last year, and we can take it as a given.

But as long as we're weighing and measuring qbs, I would say that in comparison, Wilson has done a lot with less. Mahomes is in a great situation along with the given of his talent. If KC had a defense they would rule the universe.

Clutch? I dunno, I count clutch as being behind in the 4th quarter with a chance to win. Mahomes in 2 seasons has 3 wins like that. Wilson in his first 2 seasons had 8 wins like that. Though to be completely fair, that's not a real comparison because it doesn't tell you the percentage of wins in that situation, which is much more indicative. KC just plain had the lead more in most games compared to Seattle 2012-2013.

All that you say goes without saying.

But the point that I find most interesting, and is being ignored, is what is the value of Mahomes in Reid’s offense with these weapons and with the current rules.

When you put them all together is it enough to beat a great defensive team with an average QB.

In the past, I think there are several examples of great offenses losing to great defenses. The textbook case was Buffalo losing to the Giants in 1990.

But the rules have changed and favor the offense much more now. I believe Mahomes in this offense and with current rules is good enough to break down the Niners defense. If so, I’m not sure what it means exactly. How much of it is due to Mahomes being a rare transcendent talent. And how much is due to a paradigm shift as a result of rule changes.

I expect this to be a topic of much discussion over the next 2 weeks at least.



~ max ~
“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton
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  SB will tells us more about the ongoing debate re qbs.

waterfield517January 19, 2020 08:32PM

  Re: SB will tells us more about the ongoing debate re qbs.

zn225January 19, 2020 08:35PM

  Re: SB will tells us more about the ongoing debate re qbs.

RamsAl48227January 19, 2020 09:17PM

  Re: SB will tells us more about the ongoing debate re qbs.

Classicalwit149January 20, 2020 03:48AM

  Not relevant in any way shape or form

reggae140January 20, 2020 07:58PM

  not really...... football is the ultimate team sport

Rampage2K-169January 19, 2020 09:31PM

  Re: not really...... football is the ultimate team sport

waterfield149January 20, 2020 07:09AM

  Mahomes is better than very talented, he's supernatural

max174January 20, 2020 07:25AM

  Re: Mahomes is better than very talented, he's supernatural

Rampage2K-292January 20, 2020 09:56AM

  He wouldn't be

Ram49184January 20, 2020 10:03AM

  He would look great with Cincy, Jacksonville, Jets...

JamesJM189January 20, 2020 10:18AM

  Agree

Ram49164January 20, 2020 10:27AM

  I agree with you

zn165January 20, 2020 10:38AM

  You're right

Ram49164January 20, 2020 10:50AM

  the QB is still the most important player

max149January 20, 2020 11:11AM

  Re:

zn146January 20, 2020 12:06PM

  Re: Re:

max301January 20, 2020 02:57PM

  Re: Re:

zn142January 21, 2020 02:07AM

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the point is...

max134January 21, 2020 05:05AM

  Re: He would look great with Cincy, Jacksonville, Jets...

Rampage2K-133January 20, 2020 10:28AM

  hehe, well....

JamesJM227January 20, 2020 10:57AM

  Imagine him in Cleveland

Ram49304January 20, 2020 10:30AM

  Re: I think so but

Speed_Kills140January 20, 2020 12:31PM

  good job Jimmy.

Speed_Kills145January 20, 2020 12:27PM

  Re: He would look great with Cincy, Jacksonville, Jets...

zn127January 20, 2020 05:34PM

  Re: sure he benefits having Reid and Kelcee

Speed_Kills222January 20, 2020 12:24PM

  Amen. (nm)

JamesJM135January 20, 2020 12:27PM

  Mahomes if he stays healthy

stlramz144January 20, 2020 04:25PM