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January 20, 2020 02:57PM
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the QB is still the most important player

Of course, its never just the QB, but there are certainly different degrees of QB and Mahomes is at the highest degree.

Take the highest degree of QB and put him in an ideal situation and you get the Chiefs offense. The question is, is that stoppable by a great defense under the current rules?

I don't think we know yet. We haven't seen this landscape before. The closest thing to Mahomes talent in recent memory is the Rodgers of 10 years ago. I think the rules have even changed a bit since then to aid the passing game and QBs. I also believe Mahomes is more clutch than Rodgers. I haven't checked the stats. I do know that the 2010 Steelers D that Rodgers beat in the SB was the top D that year, first in pts allowed and 2nd in yards.

blue bit--And no one denied that. You're really not arguing with anyone.

red-bit--Like Archie Manning? It's never only the qb.

And the Rams beat the Chiefs so yeah it can be done.

It's like you're protective of Mahomes, so any time anyone says anything you take as slighting him in any way, you rush to his defense.

As far as great qbs go, Rodgers? In his prime he won one superbowl. Then lost in the playoffs for 6 straight years. And that's still better than Marino did, who was probably better than Rodgers. Neither had the team. Rodgers probably never had the coach.

Whenever anyone says it's never just the qb, that's so true there really is seldom any point to arguing with it.

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Who said I'm arguing? That was just a general statement that I assume everyone knows and was using as a stepping stone to the rest of my post. I strongly urge that no one takes everything I say as an argument.

Archie Manning played in ancient times. That is a poor argument, assuming you are making an argument. Let's keep it within the bounds the past 20 years, you know, post leather helmets.

No one said it cant be done. Clearly, the Niners can win the game. It's football. And the Chiefs have lost games this year, no need to go back 15 months to revel in the last explosive Goff game.

And anyone who knows anything about football understands that it's never just the QB.

The discussion here is more nuanced that that simple thought. So I ask again, is Mahomes with a strong supporting cast good enough to win the SB against a great D when his defense is average and matched up against an average QB with a strong supporting cast.



~ max ~
“The consciousness of good intentions disdains ambiguity.” - Alexander Hamilton



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 01/20/2020 02:58PM by max.
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  SB will tells us more about the ongoing debate re qbs.

waterfield515January 19, 2020 08:32PM

  Re: SB will tells us more about the ongoing debate re qbs.

zn224January 19, 2020 08:35PM

  Re: SB will tells us more about the ongoing debate re qbs.

RamsAl48226January 19, 2020 09:17PM

  Re: SB will tells us more about the ongoing debate re qbs.

Classicalwit148January 20, 2020 03:48AM

  Not relevant in any way shape or form

reggae139January 20, 2020 07:58PM

  not really...... football is the ultimate team sport

Rampage2K-168January 19, 2020 09:31PM

  Re: not really...... football is the ultimate team sport

waterfield147January 20, 2020 07:09AM

  Mahomes is better than very talented, he's supernatural

max173January 20, 2020 07:25AM

  Re: Mahomes is better than very talented, he's supernatural

Rampage2K-290January 20, 2020 09:56AM

  He wouldn't be

Ram49183January 20, 2020 10:03AM

  He would look great with Cincy, Jacksonville, Jets...

JamesJM188January 20, 2020 10:18AM

  Agree

Ram49163January 20, 2020 10:27AM

  I agree with you

zn163January 20, 2020 10:38AM

  You're right

Ram49163January 20, 2020 10:50AM

  the QB is still the most important player

max148January 20, 2020 11:11AM

  Re:

zn145January 20, 2020 12:06PM

  Re: Re:

max298January 20, 2020 02:57PM

  Re: Re:

zn141January 21, 2020 02:07AM

  Yeah, yeah, yeah, but the point is...

max134January 21, 2020 05:05AM

  Re: He would look great with Cincy, Jacksonville, Jets...

Rampage2K-131January 20, 2020 10:28AM

  hehe, well....

JamesJM226January 20, 2020 10:57AM

  Imagine him in Cleveland

Ram49303January 20, 2020 10:30AM

  Re: I think so but

Speed_Kills139January 20, 2020 12:31PM

  good job Jimmy.

Speed_Kills144January 20, 2020 12:27PM

  Re: He would look great with Cincy, Jacksonville, Jets...

zn126January 20, 2020 05:34PM

  Re: sure he benefits having Reid and Kelcee

Speed_Kills221January 20, 2020 12:24PM

  Amen. (nm)

JamesJM135January 20, 2020 12:27PM

  Mahomes if he stays healthy

stlramz142January 20, 2020 04:25PM