Re: Ok but that’s your opinion

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Rampage2K-
NFL.com having him 7th rated QB is based on analytics such as wins and stats...not based on a good/bad game or two

2018
Yards - 4th
TD's - 6th
YPA - 4th
YPC- 3rd
YPG- 5th
Rating 8th
QBR. 10th
4QC. 3rd
GWD. 4th

Most wins since 2017


If we were basing the list just on the last two years he'd be top 5-10 QB..... I don't think Goff being ranked in the top 10 is opinion if you're just being strictly objective about the here and now based on relevant stats, health and wins.... I just don't see how you can put QB's like Wentz and Cam ahead of Goff right now.


Obviously this is the ultimate team sport and lots of credit goes to his coaches and teammates and no QB does it all on his own, but it's all relative....as other top QB's have had great support also.

I think our young 24 year old QB is just scratching the surface....that's my opinion

Btw, Hope to see you at a game this year...any plans on which one yet?

I think Speed explains himself pretty clearly. So it's just your opinion v. his opinion. You're trying, I think, to act like the case is settled. But it;s not. It's still only opinion v. opinion.

For one thing, relying on numbers alone means in this case relying on averages of all games, taken together. The problem with averages used that way is that they can hide things. Like a series of games of less consistent play. So for example in his last 8 games, he is dramatically more inconsistent. Starting with Detroit and including the post-season, his avg. qb rating in those 8 games is 89.8. He has 7 TDs and 8 INTs. His completion percentage goes below 60% in 5 of those 8 games.

It;s much more up and down. Great game against the Saints, less so against the Patz, Lions, Eagles, and Bears. Now of course that's not all on him, any more than wins are all on him. But part of the problem is something that IS him, and which they are working on--handling post-snap reads against defenses that show the offense unexpected looks. (That';s basically the Patz, Lions, Eagles, and Bears again). They are working on this in the off-season.

This is Albert Breer on that from OTAs:

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Albert Breer,from: [www.si.com]

the offensive calls going in this spring routinely put Goff and the offense in a spot where they have to react post-snap. If the call in is ideal against zone rather than the man defense Goff is seeing? Or if one built to beat a two-high safety look meets a single-high safety after the snap? That’s where Goff and the offense have to adapt. And as I’ve heard, Goff’s done a better job this spring in more quickly getting to his second read, then to his third read or checkdown. Which is how you improve against defenses that show you something different from what you saw on tape, which is what the Rams were up against in the Super Bowl.

That;s a pretty important thing to improve on. Adjusting to post-snap reads, or rather the inability to do that effectively, is one of the reasons the Rams became more inconsistent in those last 8 games.

Can he improve at that? Sure he can. And I think he will. But till he does I can see why someone would argue he's not a top 10 qb yet. And the numbers don't settle it. Again, the numbers you cite are flawed--they are the average numbers taken from ALL games, and as I said doing it that way can hide things like the slump in the last 8 games.

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