but btw, I agree with you about Williams.

Over the years while coaching it was remarkable to me how different kids, young adults, respond to coaching 'demeanor'. Some actually respond GREAT, and ONLY, to 'Marine Corp Tactics"... others require constant reassurance and pats on the back.

I was never a "Marine Corp" kinda coach.. it's just not in me... but I've seen that method work. And I've seen my 'softer' approach fail, utterly. And vice versa, of course. But like you I think there is a 'line'. But it's one of those things I could never 'define'.... it's like porn, I can't define it but I know it when I see it. - JamesJM