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May 09, 2018 11:30AM
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I think both AD and Mack are certain to be $20 million players, and soon.

Whichever one signs second will be the higher paid. Thus, the reason for the extension delays?

I agree but I don't like it and don't agree. The price for DT has been coming down after getting inflated with Suh and Fletcher Cox contracts. Now maybe Donald is so unique it is worth setting the market but we have 3 years of control for around 14M per year on average with no risk to career ending injury.

Now even though I have said that I think he is the Allan Page of today and probably better than Allan Page and that is saying alot.

Snead himself said this off season that because of Donald they don't need nearly as much outside pressure from their OLBs. And that makes sense because Donald gets as much pressure on the QB as any edge defender. Last year he led the league in that category.

Given that, he is definitely not a normal DT. Thus, whatever the price for DT's is doing is largely irrelevant. AD is an exception. An outlier.

(As an aside, I'm also not sure that it can be established that DT prices are coming down. Suh was cut late and didn't have a normal market since 90% of the free agent monies had already been spent.)

I don't really know what number makes sense for both sides but I do know that thinking about him as a traditional DT doesn't reflect his impact and it's not likely to lead to a long term resolution.

Not only is AD in a rare catergory above both Cox and Suh....but there's this too.

There's no such thing as a unitary homogenous "DT market."

That's true of all positions but we'll just focus on DTs.

If you watch how the market works, there's 2 different categories at work here. There's more than 2 in reality but I am looking at the 2 that pertain to starting caliber players.

First, there's 2nd contracts. That's when you're either buying or paying to keep a player in his prime. 2nd contracts have their own logic and they DO go steadily up every year. And it does not matter what happened with previous guys who signed 2nd contracts--if Watkins doesn't play well this year that has nothing to do with next year's contract range for 2nd contracts at the position. So WRs up for 2nd contracts this year got around 16 M and next year they will get more, and that's even if Watkins does not come through. The money just goes up.

Second, there's contracts beyond the 2nd contract---and they are not as structured. Here. you take into account age, prior injuries, how long he has in the league, and so on. These are much more variable.

Donald's money is 2nd contract money. It does not matter what happened to Suh. In 2015 Suh signed a 2nd contract for 19 M, and unless you offer AD significantly more than that in 2018, you are lowballing, according to the market.

Watch how the market works. 2nd contract numbers do not go down. It would take the NFL tv contract revenue going way down and therefore the cap space going way down for 2nd contracts to go down.

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Edited 2 time(s). Last edit at 05/09/2018 11:36AM by zn.
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  Who will be NFL's first $20 million defender? Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack best bets

RamBill304May 09, 2018 05:08AM

  if not more than that (nm)

zn161May 09, 2018 05:21AM

  Re: Who will be NFL's first $20 million defender? Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack best bets

David Deacon107May 09, 2018 06:05AM

  No it won't kill the cap...

jemach84May 09, 2018 06:09PM

  Re: Who will be NFL's first $20 million defender? Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack best bets

Rams4395May 09, 2018 06:07AM

  Re: Who will be NFL's first $20 million defender? Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack best bets

David Deacon143May 09, 2018 06:27AM

  Re: Who will be NFL's first $20 million defender? Aaron Donald, Khalil Mack best bets

dzrams98May 09, 2018 09:23AM

  PLUS

zn126May 09, 2018 11:30AM

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