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Re: I think for the most part we agree

September 14, 2017 08:39PM
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I think where we disagree is here:

I have no inside info on the forcing of a QB on anyone. I honestly don't really care. I do care that he picked the wrong QB for what he was trying to accomplish (at least in my humble opinion)

2nd thing - Goff's impossible situation? Why wasn't Wentz in an impossible situation? Pro style offense vs. Bear Raid? yup. And I mentioned it. On top of that, Fisher never gave the reigns to Goff from the get go. It may have helped getting first team reps. What didn't help was Fisher relegating Goff to 3rd team, then slowly moving him up.

Foles being a misfire and Bradford's series of injuries were totally out of Fisher's control and everyone suffered for it. Goff, to a degree, could have been better last year.

I think Goff was a good pick. I have no quarrel with the pick and no reason to 2nd guess it. If you do we just part company and will just have to agree to disagree.

Why was Goff in a much worse situation than Wentz? Jeez let me count the ways. Wentz had been in a pro system, went to a team that had not moved and could run the ball (10th in attempts, 11th in yards) and did not have OL issues the way the Rams did. The offensive coaching staff was much more veteran (which is not a shot at Weinke). The Rams and Goff would have clearly been in a better situation if they had a running game and yet we know the running game was not just the OL or coaching, a lot of it was Gurley too (and it remains to be seen if that has been fixed).

Not you, but I think sometimes guys like to get in line and bash the last coach and it leaves them completely at odds with all the other realities they can't or don't account for. Well 2016 was not about just one thing. It was a long list of things. If the goal is just to have complete and well-rounded analysis, above all other goals, then I find it is impossible to reduce 2016 to one or two major things. I think that approach is just tilted and misses way too much.

And even given all that I doubt Goff would ever have been that much better last year anywhere else. He was THAT green. In fact when he gets recognized as a steady continuing franchise starter level qb, he will be the first from the Air Raid ever to do it in the NFL, and that goes back to Couch. He just needed to go through a rookie season and then settle down. Which he did. The 2017 Rams are already benefitting from the fact that Goff is just plain not a rookie and that matters.







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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 09/14/2017 08:42PM by zn.
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  Interesting point: Goff in college

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  I distinctly remember...

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  For the life of me, Deadpool...

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  Knowing that a QB was forced on him

Deadpool329September 14, 2017 07:11PM

  Re: Knowing that a QB was forced on him

zn287September 14, 2017 07:20PM

  Goff was never forced on Fisher

Deadpool293September 14, 2017 07:40PM

  Re: Goff was never forced on Fisher

waterfield284September 14, 2017 07:48PM

  A ranch needs cattle

Deadpool260September 14, 2017 07:54PM

  Re: Goff was never forced on Fisher

21Dog222September 15, 2017 05:24AM

  no I don't buy that

zn297September 14, 2017 08:07PM

  I think for the most part we agree

Deadpool265September 14, 2017 08:20PM

  No need to sugar coat it Fisher was a mess

Rams_81243September 14, 2017 08:22PM

  Re: I think for the most part we agree

zn325September 14, 2017 08:39PM

  According to Ben Allbright...

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  FIsher not wanting a QB makes sense because

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  Re: According to Ben Allbright...

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  Re: the LA angle and "exciting player"

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  All except...

max226September 15, 2017 09:46AM

  Re: yes agreed and despite what

Speed_Kills220September 15, 2017 10:03AM

  on the Goff chat room criticism

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  I've run into a gazillion sheep ranches...

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  Re: Knowing that a QB was forced on him

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  Re: we never talk about the move

Speed_Kills264September 15, 2017 06:50AM

  Re: we never talk about the move

zn252September 15, 2017 11:30AM

  Re: we never talk about the move

Rams43214September 15, 2017 12:04PM

  Re: agree with that

Speed_Kills225September 15, 2017 12:34PM

  Re: agree with that

zn255September 15, 2017 01:10PM

  Re: arrogance

Speed_Kills213September 15, 2017 06:46AM

  Re: Interesting point: Goff in college

bigjimram21260September 15, 2017 06:38AM

  Re: ya know

Speed_Kills376September 14, 2017 03:35PM

  I'm pretty sure there was a post on here where one oddsmaker favored Colts. nm.

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  Re: Is there a Microwave for QBs

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  Re: Is there a Microwave for QBs

zn276September 14, 2017 09:37PM

  1 Better WRs 2 No Robinson 3 Much Better Coaching

Rams_81284September 14, 2017 08:16PM

  agree 100%...

LMU93228September 15, 2017 02:56AM

  Re: agree 100%...

oldschoolramfan457September 15, 2017 06:50AM

  Easy assessment, you played the Colts...nm

RFIP260September 15, 2017 12:45AM

  Re: RFIP......We play who is on the schedule.

oldschoolramfan274September 15, 2017 06:55AM

  Colts = Bad...., we get that. BUT.... 46-9 !

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  I'm telling you, McVay and Wade are just getting warmed up...

Rams43276September 15, 2017 09:27AM

  Re: 43.......You are preaching to the choir my friend!

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