August 21, 2017 06:44PM
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Besides the fact that AD had no arm and Goff has more than enough arm.

And btw I am not responding directly to your post, just indirectly. I am more responding to the whole discussion. Just putting in 2 cents.

Anyway.

AD started out okay though incidentally I never believed in him. But then he melted down. Same as Foles. By melted down I mean something very specific. Not just that he played badly or struggled. His body language and actions and entire approach in his play indicated shaken confidence and this sense that he couldn't bail himself out of what he had gotten into. In the middle of that they press, and make more mistakes. He had hit his ceiling, head first, with a bang. And it wasn't one game, it was a string of consecutive games.

Goff was almost immediately in circumstances to melt down. The set up for a meltdown was there in 2016. And he did struggle---he was an especially green rookie in challenging circumstances and no running game. That was all a set up to meltdown, and he never did. He did not always play well but he did not have anything like the kind of meltdown Davis and Foles had. He was never shaken, he never lost his poise, he never panicked...the other 2 did.

To me that means a lot. It means he has the inner constitution to go through struggles and not snap. He kept fighting.

Now in terms of gameplanning for him to look good. Okay. Will defenses catch up with that? Probably. But then the same coach will see that and respond, right? No matter what a defense does to you, you can find an answer. So I am not worried about that. That will just be part of the back and forth that an improving team goes through.

I do know from what I have seen that any struggles Goff faces, he has the kind of hard wiring that can handle that.

Besides it already happened his freshman year at Cal and he emerged from that. I just think that's who he is.


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Why couldn;t they adjust as well for Davis when he started to melt down? That is yes defenses were catching up to him, why not just adjust accordingly? It;s not just that Davis was not mentally/emotionally as tough as Goff, it;'s also that he was the more limited player. Take away the things Davis liked to do, add that to the things he couldn't do, and he had a pretty narrow tunnel to go through. There were just certain throws Davis was never going to make.

Not only is Goff emotionally/mentally tougher than Davis (IMO) but he has far fewer limitations on his game. He had a much wider range of throws he can make. So I am confident that when defenses close in on Goff, #1, he's not going to be as brittle as Davis was (amd Foles was) when that happens. And #2, McVay has a much wider range of options with Goff and can therefore program in a wider range of adjustments.
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  Jared Goff and Austin Davis...

laram1300August 21, 2017 12:00PM

  So let me get this straight.

RFL400August 21, 2017 12:13PM

  post-interpretation.

wv ram199August 22, 2017 01:52PM

  Was interesting watching Goff's head...

JamesJM339August 21, 2017 12:16PM

  The play that McVay discussed in detail ...

RFL462August 21, 2017 12:21PM

  Was that to me?

JamesJM258August 21, 2017 12:22PM

  LOL. No Jimmy--not you.

RFL234August 21, 2017 12:26PM

  Re: Jared Goff and Austin Davis...

The_Zone337August 21, 2017 12:21PM

  So, let me ask you a question

GreatRamNTheSky270August 21, 2017 12:27PM

  Re: So, let me ask you a question

RFL218August 21, 2017 12:33PM

  Re: So, let me ask you a question

GreatRamNTheSky295August 21, 2017 12:37PM

  I think some people aren't reading your bolded section in the first line.

Saguaro342August 21, 2017 12:30PM

  Well, I DID read the first line as it happens.

RFL324August 21, 2017 12:39PM

  It's good to have varied opinions expressed. This is not blasphemy. nm.

Saguaro232August 21, 2017 12:43PM

  Re: Then you don't understand the post RFL...NM

laram229August 21, 2017 01:01PM

  Re: Jared Goff and Austin Davis...

Classicalwit302August 21, 2017 12:32PM

  Not even remotely close

TonyHunter87279August 21, 2017 12:38PM

  Re: I'm comparing the way they were handled...

laram280August 21, 2017 01:02PM

  Re: I'm comparing the way they were handled...

TonyHunter87236August 21, 2017 01:23PM

  Re: Thanks...NM

laram369August 21, 2017 01:29PM

  Is Jameis Winston being spoon-fed in Tampa?

The_Bad_Guy432August 21, 2017 04:05PM

  Agreed Bad Guy Agreed

GreatRamNTheSky291August 21, 2017 06:14PM

  might want to watch it again.....

Rampage2K-241August 21, 2017 01:30PM

  I find this reasonable and helpful analysis, Laram

ArizonaRamFan245August 21, 2017 02:15PM

  Re: Absolutely and I never try to ARF..

laram245August 21, 2017 02:24PM

  Re: Absolutely and I never try to ARF..

ArizonaRamFan215August 21, 2017 03:09PM

  Re: Did you read this?

laram364August 21, 2017 03:16PM

  I did (edited)

ArizonaRamFan326August 21, 2017 03:24PM

  Re: Nah...

laram272August 21, 2017 06:44PM

  I think "negative" can mean 2 different things

ArizonaRamFan193August 22, 2017 12:33PM

  Re: Fair enough...NM

laram288August 22, 2017 12:52PM

  Re: I find this reasonable and helpful analysis, Laram

GreatRamNTheSky291August 21, 2017 06:16PM

  That is bottom line

Blue and Gold254August 21, 2017 06:54PM

  I'm a glass half full type fan........Seeing in believing

GreatRamNTheSky181August 22, 2017 11:42AM

  I will say this about the difference between AD and Goff

zn344August 21, 2017 03:28PM

  I have to add

zn299August 21, 2017 06:44PM

  Re: I have to add...

laram301August 21, 2017 07:05PM

  Re: I have to add...

zn398August 21, 2017 07:12PM

  Oh, yeah ...

The_Bad_Guy301August 21, 2017 03:58PM

  Re:Did he break through or is he possibly on the way?

laram303August 21, 2017 04:06PM

  Are you asking me ...

The_Bad_Guy295August 21, 2017 04:20PM

  Amen!........nm

GreatRamNTheSky183August 21, 2017 06:22PM

  Goff performed as we all expected of a number 1

GreatRamNTheSky202August 21, 2017 06:20PM

  Re: Jared Goff and number Twelve & number Sixteen

Anonymous User311August 21, 2017 06:57PM

  I know where you are going and you are not putting Goff down

Los Angeles Lenny213August 21, 2017 07:24PM

  Re: Not in the least Lenny...

laram454August 21, 2017 07:28PM

  Hmm.............

GreatRamNTheSky277August 22, 2017 07:49AM

  Re: Jared Goff and Austin Davis...

Steve291August 21, 2017 07:39PM

  laram is a Ram fan, who has been very positive about McVay and the new direction.

Saguaro382August 21, 2017 12:39PM

  Re: laram is a Ram fan, who has been very positive about McVay and the new direction.

TonyHunter87317August 21, 2017 12:58PM

  Re: laram is a Ram fan, who has been very positive about McVay and the new direction.

TonyHunter87370August 21, 2017 01:04PM

  Let him speak up

RamUK205August 22, 2017 04:58PM