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Pretty much agree, but would like to add this

March 24, 2017 05:19AM
I read an interesting article on Zak Prescott (who if anyone remembers, was my absolute favorite QB in the draft and before the blockbuster trade hoped the Rams would spend a 2nd rounder on him). It was by Rich Gosellin who is simply one of the best.

He says that essentially Zak was a perfect fit in a perfect situation. Stable coaching and stable OC system. All-Pro Oline, fantastic rookie RB, All-Pro WR, terrific future HOF TE, and an offense designed around Romo and his movement abilities and that essentially (my words) Prescott is a Romo clone. Add in that he was a college Senior, played a zillion games in the nations toughest conference and so everything perfectly clicked. Ideal situation.

What did Goff come into? A mess. An Oline for the ages.....in all the wrong ways. A Kindergarten Kops offense run by a rookie OC who had NEVER run an offense on any level. Pure unadulterated CRAP for WRs. Butter fingered TEs. A 2nd year RB who had a horrible year (for whatever reason). And, Goff had never run a Pro style offense and was a very young junior. And an HC who had completely lost it; he had no idea about 21st century NFL offenses. Team had just moved and all kinds of disruptions as a result. In other words: the exact opposite of the circumstance for Zak Prescott (not at all saying that Goff would have done what Prescott did).

The other major issue is what I already said: this stuff of Goff being NFL ready might be true in a sense, but NOT if that involved a horrible team, horrible coaching, and being asked to completely learn not just a new offense but learn a whole new offensive style from the Air Raid system he had played in in college.

In some ways Goff represents what we constantly hear NFL HCs and GMs lament: because of the style of offense colleges now play, QBs are simply not being developed for the NFL type offenses. This means there is going to be a steep learning curve in most cases and it is going to take more time to develop these young QBs.

I never heard any analyst doubt Goff's arm and skill set. He has the talent. But he didn't have the knowledge, and he is having to learn a whole new way of playing the game. Since he is not a scrambler or runner, but is a pure pocket passer, then he can't make plays on his own like Wentz or Prescott or Wilson. So until he learns more, and gets better players around him, and the OC/HC builds the offense around what he CAN do, and not what he CAN'T do, he is not going to succeed.

I think McVay knows this and as much as Goff can ever become (for the better or the worse), McVay can get it out of him. But much of depends on Snead getting the right players.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 03/24/2017 05:24AM by RockRam.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  Rewatched games that Goff started; kid has a chance to be good.

RockRam2019March 20, 2017 01:51PM

  He does fumble rather easily...

sstrams413March 20, 2017 01:56PM

  Small Hands

den-the-coach439March 20, 2017 02:35PM

  I guess...

max514March 20, 2017 02:43PM

  Re: I guess...

den-the-coach397March 20, 2017 03:02PM

  Re: I guess...

Classicalwit343March 20, 2017 03:49PM

  Re: I guess...

max430March 21, 2017 12:52AM

  Wentz fumbles a lot

LesBaker298March 22, 2017 07:55AM

  thought he looked good in Saints game

ferragamo79416March 20, 2017 03:00PM

  Re: thought he looked good in Saints game

den-the-coach505March 20, 2017 03:03PM

  pretty brutal stretch

ferragamo79417March 20, 2017 03:09PM

  Re: pretty brutal stretch

den-the-coach375March 20, 2017 03:17PM

  Re: pretty brutal stretch

GreatRamNTheSky470March 20, 2017 07:46PM

  the Miami game 14-10

JoeMad433March 21, 2017 03:13AM

  So you didn't watch the 49ers game when he had them up 21-7 in the 4th qtr?

GreatRamNTheSky543March 20, 2017 07:44PM

  Re: So you didn't watch the 49ers game when he had them up 21-7 in the 4th qtr?

den-the-coach299March 21, 2017 02:57AM

  Re: thought he looked good in Saints game

LMU93372March 21, 2017 03:01AM

  We'll have a good idea on Goff by midseason

merlin376March 20, 2017 03:34PM

  Re: We'll have a good idea on Goff by midseason

stlurams316March 21, 2017 02:49AM

  Better chance of being not-so-good..

RFIP486March 21, 2017 03:13AM

  I think we're going to see that coaching was the main issue

RockRam436March 21, 2017 03:38AM

  excellent post

L.A.Rams470March 21, 2017 05:30AM

  Re: He was a train wreck...

laram523March 21, 2017 06:02AM

  McVay did a pretty good job with Cousins

BlueRidgeHorns674March 21, 2017 06:07AM

  Cousins was not the project Goff is

9er8er452March 21, 2017 06:10PM

  well, it took Cousins 3-4 years to get where he is now....

SunTzu_vs_Camus273March 26, 2017 05:01AM

  I just do not understand this...

RFIP431March 26, 2017 06:48AM

  No it didn't

9er8er374March 26, 2017 09:46AM

  Sure he did (struggle), "reports out of camp" nothwithstanding

zn546March 26, 2017 03:32PM

  Agree...to a degree. I think he has the talent

RockRam467March 21, 2017 06:19AM

  Disagree

RamUK525March 21, 2017 07:04AM

  Re: Disagree

laram502March 21, 2017 07:31AM

  If it quacks like a duck

RamsDynasty451March 23, 2017 05:44AM

  his first 7 starts

LMU93295March 22, 2017 06:23AM

  I can see some of your points on this laram not all

GreatRamNTheSky348March 30, 2017 07:22AM

  A lot of want to there

9er8er400March 21, 2017 06:01PM

  he does have a chance to be good but he is going to have to progress

zn439March 22, 2017 08:41AM

  I will also say this

zn354March 22, 2017 09:06AM

  +1

LMU93428March 24, 2017 03:22AM

  Re: +1

zn418March 24, 2017 04:13AM

  : +2

wv ram369March 27, 2017 06:49AM

  Pretty much agree, but would like to add this

RockRam414March 24, 2017 05:19AM

  Re: Pretty much agree, but would like to add this

zn279March 24, 2017 06:02PM

  Aikman, E. Manning, Alex Smith, Stafford, McNabb even Elway

ferragamo79452March 22, 2017 09:04AM

  Re: Aikman, E. Manning, Alex Smith, Stafford, McNabb even Elway

RamsFanSinceLA516March 22, 2017 09:57AM

  Elway was bad for a few years

LesBaker463March 23, 2017 03:36PM

  Re: Elway was bad for a few years

LMU93423March 24, 2017 04:26AM

  A compiler as they are called

LesBaker390March 24, 2017 02:06PM

  Rodgers is #1 of all-time

Rams_81234March 29, 2017 02:36AM

  Re: Elway was bad for a few years

six2stack271March 24, 2017 12:18PM

  This is the part where you went wrong

Rams_81351March 29, 2017 02:35AM

  I just hate this arguement

RFIP350March 24, 2017 04:20AM

  Re: I just hate this arguement

waterfield427March 24, 2017 09:12AM

  Re: I just hate this arguement

canuckramsfans297March 24, 2017 10:12AM

  Yet Case Unemployed Keemun won 4...nm

RFIP386March 24, 2017 10:49AM

  did KEENUM win those games?

zn304March 24, 2017 02:34PM

  Re: did KEENUM win those games?

PARAM286March 24, 2017 02:53PM

  Re: did KEENUM win those games?

zn447March 24, 2017 03:51PM

  Night and day

RFIP308March 24, 2017 03:02PM

  and there's a very good reason for that

zn409March 24, 2017 03:47PM

  Remind me...

RFIP282March 24, 2017 04:06PM

  Re: Remind me...

zn302March 24, 2017 04:15PM

  Expectations bound to disappoint

PARAM346March 24, 2017 05:13PM

  well I happen to agree with what you write there

zn471March 24, 2017 05:25PM

  Not budging "He's the Real Deal" I trust my eyes

Anonymous User557March 24, 2017 02:55PM

  Re: Not budging "He's the Real Deal" I trust my eyes

Rams43459March 24, 2017 03:04PM

  Re: Not budging "He's the Real Deal" I trust my eyes

zn319March 24, 2017 03:56PM

  Re: Not budging "He's the Real Deal" I trust my eyes

zn337March 24, 2017 03:52PM

  The young man proved a lot last year

RockRam319March 25, 2017 04:33AM

  Yeah, but not all of it good

9er8er289March 25, 2017 02:01PM

  Not that I disagree, but I think its fair to wonder...

max555March 26, 2017 04:30PM

  From my point of view.. he's proved little, or nothing...

JamesJM343March 26, 2017 08:51PM

  (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

RFIP1161March 27, 2017 03:36AM

  Re: (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

Rams43285March 27, 2017 07:04AM

  Re: (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

zn287March 27, 2017 08:12AM

  Re: (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

Rams43267March 27, 2017 09:59AM

  Re: (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

RFIP230March 27, 2017 11:57AM

  Re: (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

zn335March 27, 2017 12:10PM

  Re: (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

Rams43615March 27, 2017 03:20PM

  Re: (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

zn254March 28, 2017 03:36PM

  Re: (For 43) OUTSTANDING POST BY JAMES!

moklerman254March 27, 2017 09:36PM

  you're being more cautious than I am.

zn304March 27, 2017 04:03AM

  Re: you're being more cautious than I am.

oldschoolramfan385March 27, 2017 08:41AM

  Re: you're being more cautious than I am.

zn275March 27, 2017 09:25AM

  Re: you're being more cautious than I am.

oldschoolramfan428March 27, 2017 12:16PM

  Re: you're being more cautious than I am.

zn268March 27, 2017 12:39PM

  we had a good conversation

zn336March 27, 2017 06:00PM

  Re: "He's the Real Deal", but the O was not!

hammer289March 27, 2017 09:07AM

  My issue with the "eyes" thing

Blue and Gold352March 27, 2017 05:53PM

  yeah

zn348March 27, 2017 06:02PM

  Re: My issue with the "eyes" thing.......and

Rampage2K-277March 27, 2017 07:43PM

  Re: If you don't trust your eyes, what do you trust?

hammer451March 28, 2017 08:39AM

  Re: My issue with the "eyes" thing

Anonymous User464March 29, 2017 02:52AM

  Re: Not budging "He's the Real Deal" I trust my eyes

BumRap473March 29, 2017 10:29PM

  this is the Goff we need to see more of in 2017

Rampage2K-445March 27, 2017 09:07AM

  Re: this is the Goff we need to see more of in 2017

moklerman559March 27, 2017 09:42PM

  Re: this is the Goff we need to see more of in 2017

RamsFanSinceLA347March 29, 2017 02:19PM