December 01, 2016 06:42AM
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LesBaker
I agree about losing year after year, it will erode support anywhere. It did in LA before, with the Rams and just look at the Clippers and even the flagship franchise Lakers. I'm from Cleveland except for the last 6 years and they are the most die hard fans imaginable. Yet they are tired and starting to stay away. Those fans are made of granite too.

So SK will put a product on the field that wins sometimes, and loses sometimes. Winning it all won't be the focus. Winning enough to keep fans attention will be. When I and others say "he doesn't care about winning first he cares about the money" I think sometimes it's assumed that we mean that 5-11 is fine with him. It's not because it doesn't sell enough seats. 9-7 is though.

I replied to your query about Kroenke/Fisher but didn't do a great job explaining what I thought.

On the hiring Fisher for the move.......it makes little sense especially since according to Demoff they were writing this year off so to speak. Plus Fisher didn't actually do anything to facilitate the physical move. Demoff was the point man and we know that. So if he hired Fisher to hold the hands of millionaire players and reassure them that everything was going to be fine then Kroenke is dumb and we know that isn't true. Because there wouldn't be anything else for Fisher to do. Staff lead by Demoff handled things.

There are too many holes in the theory that he hired him for the move. It just doesn't add up for me.

IMO there is something that makes more sense and is easier to support with logic. Rebuilding the roster.

The Rams were the worst team in the history of the NFL over the previous 5 years from Kroenke taking full control. In fact they were one trick play away from an 0-16 season one year. This was going to be the biggest rebuild in the history of the league, the mother of all rebuilds. Fisher, Parcells, and possibly Cowher have more experience rebuilding teams, or retooling on the run many times as in Cowher's case, than any other coaches, ever. Parcells, if he was available, would have gotten an interview and possibly been hired. IMO Kroenke wanted Fisher to put Humpty Dumpty back together again. No college coach or assistant getting his first shot as a HC is going to have what Fisher has, that being "been there done that"..........and so I think that was the overarching factor in the decision.

Les, you make good points, and we are just looking for straws in the wind. No one knows.

Now, as for the theory of overseeing the move, I agree that it is daft. I think it's ridiculous. I always did.

But, just because it's ridiculous, that doesn't mean Kroenke didn't buy into it.

And, to be fair, there is an idea there. The concept, I think, is to keep the players focused through the distractions of a move. And Fisher is known as a level-headed, player's coach who had a rep for successfully handling the Houston-TENN move. Kroenke, who surely thinks far more about real estate deals than about the team, may well have bought into that conventional wisdom.

Anyway, last year at this time, I was certain Fisher would not be fired because of that reason. And because of the contract. And because LA would be pumped, at least initially, to get the team back even if it struggled in its StL lame duck year. It was no surprise that Fisher was not held responsible for last year's failures.

This year? This year is a completely different dynamic. I cannot imagine how, right now, Fisher isn't sitting on the hottest of hot seats.

About your idea of the roster building. I mean, clearly, you're right. Roster building has certainly been a core goal.

But then, the track record on that score has been mixed. The D hasn't yet closed its holes and the OL remains a mess. I don't see how it could lead to much assurance that Fisher will continue.

Well, we'll see, eh? I can't imagine Fisher getting extended, but who knows?
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  How are things going with Kroenke's other teams?

promomasterj943November 30, 2016 04:26PM

  Is that an indicator?

JamesJM386November 30, 2016 04:38PM

  It's one indicator

LesBaker398November 30, 2016 05:28PM

  Bingo...he's all about $$

Ram49334November 30, 2016 07:41PM

  Arsenal are doing fine

RamUK345December 01, 2016 04:21AM

  He also said he doesn't buy teams to win titles

LesBaker270December 01, 2016 05:34AM

  Titles. Money. Contention.

RFL323December 01, 2016 05:56AM

  I've never been convinced it was the move that made him want Fisher

LesBaker348December 01, 2016 06:14AM

  Tea leaves and tell tails ...

RFL438December 01, 2016 06:42AM

  the move ...

wv ram283December 01, 2016 04:40PM

  Brilliant point

RamUK335December 01, 2016 11:34AM

  UK, good to connect again!

RFL289December 01, 2016 11:49AM

  Re: UK, good to connect again!

RamUK281December 02, 2016 03:22AM

  Not that anyone in the USA gives a crap about his soccer team

LesBaker284December 01, 2016 05:26PM

  Re: Not that anyone in the USA gives a crap about his soccer team

BobCarl360December 01, 2016 06:19PM

  Re: Not that anyone in the USA gives a crap about his soccer team

RamUK369December 03, 2016 08:06AM

  I know an entire stadium was chanting "get out of my club" and that fans don't like him

LesBaker285December 03, 2016 02:27PM

  just a thot

wv ram303December 02, 2016 05:45AM

  I never mentioned Arsenal as I know nothing about EPL

promomasterj307December 01, 2016 01:54PM

  Re: I never mentioned Arsenal as I know nothing about EPL

BobCarl293December 01, 2016 02:30PM

  Zero? Are you sure?

LesBaker285December 01, 2016 02:37PM

  Re: Zero? Are you sure?

BobCarl304December 01, 2016 03:30PM

  Yeah not so much

LesBaker358December 01, 2016 03:52PM

  Re: Yeah not so much

BobCarl374December 01, 2016 04:18PM

  Not taking dividends isn't necessarily not getting paid

LesBaker319December 02, 2016 05:27AM

  Nuggets and Avs play on a network he owns or licenses to

promomasterj289December 02, 2016 10:42AM

  I'm guessing that was sarcasm

LesBaker265December 02, 2016 01:36PM

  Re: Not taking dividends isn't necessarily not getting paid

BobCarl195December 03, 2016 07:44AM

  Kroenke is the devil...everyone knows that.......

Rampage2K-400December 01, 2016 09:01AM

  But Stan is our Devil....

SunTzu_vs_Camus331December 01, 2016 09:31AM

  He can spend as much over the cap in the NBA as he wants to and several owners do

LesBaker370December 01, 2016 02:44PM

  Re: Kroenke is the devil...everyone knows that.......

bigjimram21559December 01, 2016 05:54PM

  Re: How are things going with Kroenke's other teams?

reggae310December 02, 2016 10:44AM