October 27, 2016 04:31AM
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waterfield
You wrote: "olunteered at a autism school, taught GED classes, taught adult illiterates how to read, coached youth sports and to augment my education even enrolled in a master level course in special education about learning disabilities...seen a few kids in my life who are slow learners..."

My wife is an advocate for children with special needs and works primarily with parents of autistic children. Before that she ran a school district's special education program. I was a special education attorney for one of the largest school districts in California and dealt daily with cases dealing with children with learning disabilities. We too have seen more than a few children and young adults with leaning disabilities.

Sorry to be so blunt to a newcomer here.but none of us can possibly "know" what Goff's language arts skills are, or his cognitive processing, or his intellectual capabilities .and how these may or may not relate to his ability to play in the NFL. The best I can say -from the very few times I've seen him act during the Hard Knocks episodes-is that he seems a little immature. But as someone pointed out he just turned 22. Other than that I have no clue as to his mental capacities, etc. And no one here does either..

been around sports longer then then you have been alive....a lawyer? give me a break...you sue people for a living.

you admit you know nothing about Goff but know I'm wrong...you do have a lawyers arrogance..say that for you...your premise is I can't be right because that would mean I'm smarter then you even though you admit you have zero background in either sports or teaching. Also hardly a newbie would get 10,000 views a day on my camp reports...evidently some people valued my opinion

I do the draft and am very good at it...biggest predictor why 1/2 of all 1st rd picks fail is their personality/mental makeup. When I study a player I read their bio and watch every interview I can find, watch them interacting on sidelines with other players/coaches before watching them play..after a decade or so patterns emerge. Trends develop. #1 predictor of future success is from the neck up with these kids.

you admit something is off in Goff's interviews and with zero background in either teaching or coaching you decided to name it immaturity. Long time teacher/long time coach and I am seeing something else and it bothers me....

my thread title is Goff bust? f.the question mark is there for a reason. Posted he might have to play to learn..waiting for him to learn in the practice field might not work. All kids have different learning styles and some need hands on experience to learn. He might have to experience real game speed in real games to learn. quickly can see a catch 22 developing. Coaches won't play him till he learns and he can't learn till he plays

Rams drafted a qb named Garrett Gilbert a couple years back in the 6th rd...elite talent. was the #1 overall high school prospect in the nation as a high school senior. Mega talent mega failure...watching him at camp was one of the most accurate passers I've ever seen. elite touch/arm strength

"I have worked out 100's of NFL QB's in my day, Garrett Gilbert's workout today was the 2nd best one I have ever seen!! Next to Jeff George"...June Jones Gil Brandt raved about his pro day. Jones said he could play 15 years in the NFL but needed the right kind of coaching. Talent wise Gilbert was up there with Goff. His problem was all from the neck up. Ryan Leaf wasn't failure because he lacked talent

ones had Niednagel “brain-type” his players at Hawaii and at SMU for more than a decade. Jones always had a list of seven or eight players for Niednagel to evaluate when the coach brought him out to his practices. The players were usually good athletes who should have won starting positions but hadn’t because they didn’t respond well, Jones said. Niednagel then gave him direction on what positional moves should be made to better fit each player to his more “natural” position.

“It’s fascinating stuff,” Jones said. “I had some guys playing positions who I thought should be better than they were. He talked with them and then told me, ‘OK, this guy [Reagan Maui’a] needs to be a running back,’ and I had him playing defensive line. He was a 380-pound backup nose guard. I went to him. He had one year of eligibility left. I said, ‘You’re gonna have to trust me on this. If you lose a hundred pounds, I’ll get you into the NFL as a running back.’

[www.foxsports.com]

understanding the connection of brain typing and future success is a big deal. feel to learn something and google Niednagel and Ryan Leaf

long time soccer coach and quickly found out some kids had off the charts skills to be great forwards but never scored..just didn't want the limelight.. My son was an All American as a defensive mid but sucked as a forward. The closer you moved him to the other teams goal the worse he played. My daughter was an odp player as a forward even though she lacked the physcial skillset to succeed but she had to be the star..same with qb's...

the study of why 1/2 1st rd picks are busts and why some players drafted after the 4th rd succeed is fascinating...a skill we all need on election day and as husband,s parents or when watching any ad..what's bs and what is important...
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  Goff bust?

poplarbluffman1257October 25, 2016 03:22PM

  It`s certainly possible...

PaulButcher59640October 25, 2016 03:29PM

  Re: It`s certainly possible...

poplarbluffman472October 25, 2016 03:33PM

  All I got from his body language was that...

JamesJM485October 25, 2016 03:35PM

  Re: Goff bust?

LARams17634October 25, 2016 03:39PM

  Myers-Briggs con job

Coy Bacon632October 25, 2016 03:55PM

  Amen...good money in it though

DaJudge395October 26, 2016 11:46AM

  Re: Goff bust?

CraigMatson640October 25, 2016 04:40PM

  Re: Goff bust?

poplarbluffman389October 25, 2016 05:33PM

  Re: Goff bust?

waterfield462October 25, 2016 06:05PM

  Re: Goff bust?

dzrams457October 25, 2016 06:29PM

  Re: Goff bust?

waterfield404October 25, 2016 06:03PM

  Re: Goff bust?

bigjimram21518October 26, 2016 09:55AM

  Sociology

waterfield495October 25, 2016 05:19PM

  Re: Sociology

poplarbluffman484October 25, 2016 05:31PM

  LOL OK

ferragamo79388October 25, 2016 05:42PM

  Daryl Henley

waterfield432October 25, 2016 06:01PM

  So not to doubt you

PHDram483October 25, 2016 06:02PM

  Re: So not to doubt you

poplarbluffman407October 25, 2016 06:15PM

  Re: So not to doubt you

PHDram418October 25, 2016 06:26PM

  Re: So not to doubt you

poplarbluffman366October 26, 2016 06:35AM

  is there some reason you are avoiding the question?

PHDram383October 26, 2016 07:29AM

  Re: So not to doubt you

waterfield494October 25, 2016 06:44PM

  Re: Goff bust?

Anonymous User651October 25, 2016 06:08PM

  Re: Goff bust?

poplarbluffman469October 25, 2016 06:18PM

  LOL Florida

ferragamo79375October 27, 2016 07:30AM

  We have to ask this question!!

Ramgator372October 26, 2016 03:32AM

  Do you want to fire Fisher?

max396October 26, 2016 03:48AM

  Yes!

Ramgator474October 26, 2016 08:14AM

  my take on Goff

LMU93456October 26, 2016 03:40AM

  Re: my take on Goff

poplarbluffman361October 26, 2016 06:46AM

  Re: my take on Goff

waterfield380October 26, 2016 09:51AM

  Re: my take on Goff

poplarbluffman915October 27, 2016 04:31AM

  Yet you failed

PHDram360October 27, 2016 04:43AM

  I agree w/some of that. But...

-X-407October 27, 2016 03:29PM

  Re: Goff bust?

Hacksaw_64632October 26, 2016 07:46AM

  Re: the question for me is...

Speed_Kills420October 26, 2016 08:29AM

  mariota and winston

PHDram386October 26, 2016 09:22AM

  I'm not much concerned with off the field demeanor...

JamesJM468October 26, 2016 09:27AM

  Seriously? I'm (almost) stunned.

RamUK371October 26, 2016 10:36AM

  i have to admit

PHDram463October 26, 2016 11:13AM

  Admit it...Goff should be cut.

DaJudge527October 26, 2016 11:51AM

  Re: Seriously? I'm (almost) stunned. Attachments

Rampage2K-410October 26, 2016 12:52PM

  LOL

RamUK334October 26, 2016 01:54PM

  Bears don't hibernate.

Drew2839444October 26, 2016 02:50PM

  LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!!!!!!!!!

HighPlainsDrifter491October 26, 2016 12:55PM

  hey buddy

ferragamo79403October 26, 2016 06:38PM

  Thank you, my friend....

HighPlainsDrifter393October 26, 2016 11:57PM