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Excellent. And to add to that these thoughts---

February 28, 2023 08:17AM
Jimmy Lake is no Tampa-2 disciple who runs only that. He ran Cover-3 and Washington. Just because someone coached for someone does not mean they run
that scheme to the exclusion of all else. And does not mean that two guys who started under Kiffen are not conspiring to screw McVay over and change the scheme.

It is ludicrous.

Morris is not trying to "strive" to take the Rams in "that direction". Morris is not trying to "remake the roster" to got to a 4-3 Tampa 2 scheme. Notice something that happens here--zero proof is offered. Opinions? yes. Facts? No.

Tampa-2 works just fine in a 3-4. Teams do it plenty. Could show diagrams if anyone wants . . . but not sure proof is needed, some others never provide it.

Morris does not "have his DBs standing like posts in their zone" and "The problem is that the Tampa two relies on a MLB/hybrid SS to play that middle zone" -- interesting, was London Fletcher a MLB/hybrid SS? Jamie Duncan? Robert Thomas? Those are the three MLBers Lovie used when he ran Tampa-2 for Rams. Every team has that package-just don't use it as a base--Rams ran it under Fisher---sometimes--was James Laurinaitis a hybrid MLB/SS?

So in this new devious plan Raheem is going to play a SS as a MLB, a 200-205 pounder for that "middle" zone . . . good luck with that. And in his sinister plan it is best to play Donald at DE? The best three-technique in NFL history is not going to play it in the scheme that is most reliant on the three-technique...he is going to play DE? okay . . . good plan rolled eyes smiley

So this is his choice for the back seven "Howard and Jones in the short zone. Quentin Lake SS in the middle zone. Durant and Rochell boundary CB. Scott and Yeast deep cover shell."

"Durant and Rochelle boundary CB" and later "The boundary CBs won't be lined up 5-10 yds off the LOS as that allows the X and Z WRs the complete complement of their moves."

So both Durant and Rochelle will be boundary CB? The boundary CBs, as in plural? There are two boundary CBs on the field at the same time?
I may be giving this guy too much credit, I don't think he knows what a boundary CB is...he's Oswald Bates throwing around football terms.
Should we tell him? Or should we make someone else explain it to him. Cannot believe he gets away with this on that other board.

To go along with the fantasy, what is the reasoning that Bobby Brown is not suited for the dastardly Tampa-2?
And why isn't " Jones is not a Tampa Two MLB who can play coverage in the middle zone like a SS"? Jones, to me, can do things like other Rams MLBers did or Hardy Nickerson. Ask yourself if Jones can do anything that Barrett Ruud did...if the answer is yes then you know how smart this guy's evaluation is.

So, Raheem is going to install this evil Tampa-2, undermining McVay, who won't notice the difference, that beaks down versus 11 personnel, which is the predominant personnel package in the NFL?

Boy, is that dumb.

I guess Tony Dungy and Monte Kiffen and Lovie Smith never thought that a team would go to three wide receivers in their day. I mean it's not like Ronde Barber just got into the Hall of Fame for being a nickel back a lot of the time (look it up). Who was he covering as the nickel back? The third wide receiver, maybe? And when you have three wide receivers what is the personnel? Eleven maybe? I guess when Ronde was on the field the defense broke down a lot.

So, he wants to "have a defense that ranks closer to 10 - 13."

Okay, since Lovie took over, 38 games, compared to all teams, all games, where do Rams rank
rushing yards/game = 4th
yards/rush = 4th
total yards/game = 12th
points per game = 12th (not taking out points not allowed by offense, which Rams lead NFL in over last 2 years)
Fewest TD passes/game = 3rd
Defensive passer rating = 6th
Opp 3rd down % = 8th
sacks/game = 7th

here are two outliers
passing yards a game = 22nd
Opp 4th down % = 22nd

So I guess he was talking about those and only those.

You'd almost have to try to get things wrong in every . . . single . . . paragraph.

Maybe for his sake oldnotdead would hold back. he would deprive this board of comedy but would save his dignity, what little else there
is left.


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oldnotdead
Boy, he doesn’t hold back here.

Here’s Oldnotdead…

Jimmy Lake coached DBs under Raheem for one year in Tampa. Jimmy Lake learned the Tampa two style of defense from Monte Kiffin. Tampa two run by Raheem when he was with the Buc's finished two consecutive years in the 30s. That is where Raheem is striving to take the Rams. Tampa two is a 4-3 scheme and the Rams have 3-4 personnel.

The only thing good was that under Lake he didn't allow freebies in the short zone. Raheem is trying to remake the roster of this team into another failed scheme. He failed in Tampa now he's trying to do it now. He tried quarters and sucked at it. Now he intends to run a scheme that failed in Tampa in LA. That's the only reason for bringing in Jimmy Lake. The only saving grace is that Lake doesn't have his DBs standing like posts in their zone. They play it actively moving to cover receivers. The problem is that the Tampa two relies on a MLB/hybrid SS to play that middle zone. It relies on two DTs playing a one gap scheme. We saw Raheem doing it last season and it failed. He had Gaines and Copeland playing DTs. But now without Wagner in the middle zone Raheem will have to play Lake as that MLB/SS in that middle zone. It only works if you have an outstanding DL who can pressure with only 4 while stopping the run. Howard and Jones will have to cover that short zone while playing the run.

Now I can see why Ramsey wants out. Raheem doesn't realize he doesn't have the players on the back end to play that style. It hasn't worked because he played his DBs passively. So they bring in Lake to get them to play aggressively. That means Scott and Yeast will play the back end. Raheem better play Durant and Rochell if he wants to stand a chance. What I'm hoping is that Raheem will defer to Lake on who plays.

This why on a previous post I showed the 4 DL with who they have to play that Tampa Two front.

DE Donald or Ngakoue
DT Copeland
DT Gaines
DE Floyd

Howard and Jones in the short zone. Quentin Lake SS in the middle zone. Durant and Rochell boundary CB. Scott and Yeast deep cover shell.

Bobby Brown doesn't fit this scheme, Hardy might not either. Jones is not a Tampa Two MLB who can play coverage in the middle zone like a SS. Howard has the speed to play LB in this scheme but he's not particularly good in coverage. Jones lacks the speed to play this scheme.

Tampa two succeeds only if the front 4 can create pressure to force an errant throw. But a skilled veteran QB with a decent OL will cut it to pieces.

See where I'm going with this? Raheem will trash this unit like he trashed the defense in Tampa. So will it work with Jimmy Lake as DB coach under Morris? For two years in Tampa, it didn't. It works best when facing 21 personnel, but breaks down facing 11 personnel. That is why McVay favors 11 personnel because it forces zone coverages out of their comfort zone. That is why Raheem needs to play Quentin Lake as that middle zone defender because Howard doesn't have the coverage skills though he has enough speed. That then forces Howard or Jones into that middle zone spot.

IMO the 4-3 is too predictable against a skilled vet QB. To his credit, Jimmy Lake coaches his DBs to be more active in their zones. The boundary CBs won't be lined up 5-10 yds off the LOS as that allows the X and Z WRs the complete complement of their moves. These past two seasons have shown Raheems coaching weaknesses. His inability to properly use his players. If Lake can have a free hand with the DBs they could at least have a defense that ranks closer to 10 - 13.
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  Some more strong opinions from Oldnotdead…

Rams43566February 27, 2023 05:12PM

  Re: Some more strong opinions from Oldnotdead…

westcoastram278February 27, 2023 06:23PM

  No offense 43, but I'm dumber for reading that post

Deadpool230February 27, 2023 07:11PM

  Re: No offense 43, but I'm dumber for reading that post

Rams43232February 27, 2023 07:37PM

  another drive by worthless post

promomasterj109February 28, 2023 11:08AM

  Agreed

Ram4life157February 28, 2023 11:23AM

  Re: No offense 43, but I'm dumber for reading that post

Rampage2K-152March 01, 2023 08:19AM

  It could go the other way

JimYoungblood5351March 01, 2023 12:29PM

  ok 43, you want conversation. here you go.

Deadpool212February 27, 2023 09:17PM

  Re: ok 43, you want conversation. here you go.

Ram4life143February 27, 2023 09:41PM

  The Disdain for Morris is Questionable.

den-the-coach154February 28, 2023 02:27AM

  Comes down to fairness and reason

JimYoungblood5386February 28, 2023 10:47AM

  Re: ok 43, you want conversation. here you go.

Rams43126February 28, 2023 06:14AM

  Excellent. And to add to that these thoughts---

JimYoungblood53106February 28, 2023 08:17AM

  Re: Aubrey Pleasant

RamsFanSince69160February 28, 2023 08:53AM

  Why all the animosity? lol

Ramsdude134February 28, 2023 12:22PM

  Like sifting through spam to get to the real news

Ram4life91February 28, 2023 01:01PM

  No problem Ram4life!

Ramsdude77February 28, 2023 01:21PM

  Thanks man

Ram4life52February 28, 2023 01:41PM

  For those interested -here is a Tampa-2 out of a 3-4 Attachments

JimYoungblood5390February 28, 2023 01:26PM

  Tampa-2 from 3-4 vs 21 personnel -Cov-3 disguise Attachments

JimYoungblood5374February 28, 2023 01:28PM

  Tampa-2, vs 11 pers, Cov-3 disguise Attachments

JimYoungblood5390February 28, 2023 01:30PM

  Re: Some more strong opinions from Oldnotdead…

h2omelonhead107February 28, 2023 04:45PM

  You got it

JimYoungblood53146February 28, 2023 05:08PM

  Re: You got it

h2omelonhead79February 28, 2023 05:31PM

  That is what it was

JimYoungblood5392February 28, 2023 05:49PM