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as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

July 17, 2018 09:29AM
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He's a signed player.....not an unsigned player.
He already has a contractual obligation for this year.

I have no doubt the Rams would prefer to come to an amicable deal.
But the Rams have their bottom line just as AD does.
AD doesn't care (or have to care) about putting a team together. He just has to worry about getting the best deal he can.
The Rams have to field 53 good players and a few stars to vie for a Superbowl shot. If the Rams can't see a way to meet AD's demands and sign the other players they need to keep, then they are going to tag him for a couple of years.

It's the CBA. Rams are in full control now and for at least 2 more years. AD is free to not report. Retire. And make not a dime. That'll be the day. This is not a Curt Flood thing; this is a player wanting more money than any defensive player has ever made.

They can't tag him till next year. He will play this year, new contract or no new contract. And not a single person is saying otherwise. After this year, if he isn't signed yet and they try to tag him, as I say in my other response, he would demand a trade...and the Rams would have no choice but to trade him.

I think you're mixing your years up. No one is saying what you are arguing against.

Anyway, this whole "be tough with labor" rhetoric doesn;t work in situations like this.



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FWIW, I resonate more with Rock’s position.

If AD demands a trade, I think that the Rams trade him if, and only IF they think it’s in their own best interests.

Rock seems to be talking more about this year. We all agree that that he will report this year. Rock's fighting a battle that no one is waging.

The point of disagreement is what happens next year when the Rams tag AD. But I know you knew that and can tell based on your responses.

I agree with your last sentence. I don't think the Rams will trade him if it's not in their best interests. I'm just trying to wrap my mind around a scenario where the Rams tag AD for $14M, he insists he won't play and demands a trade, and the Rams decide it's best not to trade him.

I don't see it. They'd have a huge expenditure on their cap. The relationship with player likely beyond repair at that point, and they're vying for a SB. At that point, wouldn't you already know if you'll ever be able to get close to his demands or not?

It seems to me their best move would be to be decisive like Belichick. Get what you can for him, draft picks and players who can contribute that year, and maybe sign an alternative DT (like Suh). If they call his bluff and lose that will really hurt their interests.

I guess it comes down to, if he demanded a trade, how serious do they think he is and could the relationship be repaired at that point.

Adding to this...as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario, no one could think of examples of visible starters who demanded a trade and were NOT traded.

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On top of it, Donald would have a deep interest in not signing a lowball tag and holding out till traded. He would not be under contract at that point. The Rams meanwhile as has been said would be in a situation where he counted against the cap, plus as I just said teams (as was demonstrated) trade starters who sit out and demand trades. Rams would be at a disadvantage if they didn 't trade him...otherwise they would be getting nothing for him while he counted against their cap








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Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 07/17/2018 09:33AM by zn.
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  2 pieces on Donald

zn931July 12, 2018 03:57AM

  plus some tweets

zn313July 12, 2018 04:45AM

  Re: DL has elite ranking in game and we lost

merlin204July 12, 2018 07:00AM

  false dichotomy

zn132July 12, 2018 08:13AM

  Re: false dichotomy

Steve78July 13, 2018 05:06AM

  Re: false dichotomy

zn72July 13, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: false dichotomy

Rampage2K-79July 13, 2018 09:48AM

  Re: false dichotomy

zn80July 13, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: false dichotomy

dzrams66July 13, 2018 08:37AM

  more tweets

zn134July 12, 2018 07:51PM

  and even more stuff

zn75July 16, 2018 05:37PM

  and still even more stuff

zn44July 20, 2018 07:29PM

  I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

jemach135July 12, 2018 04:56AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

zn110July 12, 2018 05:15AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

LMU9399July 12, 2018 05:40AM

  I Agree on guaranteed money...

jemach45July 13, 2018 03:45AM

  Re: IF AD is not worth the money.........

oldschoolramfan46July 14, 2018 05:48AM

  i posted well in advance of that poll...

jemach46July 13, 2018 03:47AM

  Re

zn49July 13, 2018 04:06AM

  I tend to be an early adopter...

jemach50July 16, 2018 01:19PM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

Ramsdude103July 12, 2018 06:31AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

dzrams68July 12, 2018 10:08AM

  So you compare this team to last years team?

jemach46July 13, 2018 03:50AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-156July 12, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams115July 12, 2018 10:17AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

zn108July 12, 2018 10:34AM

  Re: We don't know the numbers but...

dzrams95July 12, 2018 10:45AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-74July 12, 2018 10:39AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams59July 12, 2018 11:42AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-82July 12, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams54July 12, 2018 01:23PM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-47July 12, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram102July 12, 2018 10:35AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-75July 12, 2018 10:44AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams87July 12, 2018 11:46AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-53July 12, 2018 12:54PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams78July 12, 2018 01:06PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-54July 12, 2018 01:47PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn56July 12, 2018 02:13PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-52July 12, 2018 02:40PM

  no that's not the case

zn56July 12, 2018 02:52PM

  kind of like Watkins imo

Atlantic Ram52July 12, 2018 03:07PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams49July 12, 2018 05:09PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn57July 12, 2018 05:22PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram80July 12, 2018 07:57PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams57July 12, 2018 08:02PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram46July 12, 2018 10:17PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn44July 13, 2018 08:08AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram49July 13, 2018 08:30AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams52July 13, 2018 08:48AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram75July 13, 2018 09:24AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Ramsdude91July 13, 2018 02:50AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn94July 13, 2018 04:26AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams54July 12, 2018 05:27PM

  I would be surprised if less than $23M

Atlantic Ram76July 12, 2018 03:11PM

  +1 (NM)

zn45July 13, 2018 09:05AM

  Agree to a point.

RockRam78July 14, 2018 05:05AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

zn63July 14, 2018 05:36AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

VANRAM91July 16, 2018 01:27AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

Rams4349July 16, 2018 05:36AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams49July 16, 2018 07:31AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Rams4350July 16, 2018 07:49AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams53July 16, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Rams4351July 16, 2018 09:38AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Ramsdude47July 16, 2018 10:04AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams43July 16, 2018 11:16AM

  4th reason

AlbaNY_Ram39July 17, 2018 05:55AM

  but at tag prices

zn53July 16, 2018 10:27AM

  Re: but at tag prices

Ken46July 16, 2018 12:12PM

  Not play under the tag? Of course he will.

RockRam47July 17, 2018 02:49AM

  nope

zn45July 17, 2018 04:29AM

  He IS signed! That's the point.

RockRam78July 17, 2018 02:40AM

  you're not following the conversation

zn72July 17, 2018 04:31AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

Rams4382July 17, 2018 05:43AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

Ken60July 17, 2018 08:41AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

AlbaNY_Ram60July 17, 2018 03:15PM

  that's what they were going to do with Tru

zn67July 17, 2018 05:57PM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

dzrams47July 17, 2018 09:20AM

  as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

zn53July 17, 2018 09:29AM

  Re: as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

Ramsdude71July 17, 2018 12:58PM

  So you're saying that $1.5 to $3.0 on a $20+ million contract...

jemach81July 16, 2018 01:29PM

  Re: So you're saying that $1.5 to $3.0 on a $20+ million contract...

zn68July 16, 2018 04:31PM

  At some time...this has to wear on a player psychologically...

jemach75July 17, 2018 09:07AM

  Re: At some time...this has to wear on a player psychologically...

Ramsdude75July 17, 2018 12:34PM

  I would say I feel better...

jemach46July 18, 2018 03:44AM

  Re: +++1

dzrams65July 18, 2018 06:44AM

  Re: +++1

Rams4368July 18, 2018 07:18AM

  Take the QBs out of it...

max58July 18, 2018 03:58AM