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July 16, 2018 11:16AM
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right now....i would agree to a 3 year and opt out and make the contract smaller.. just want him signed...

A 3 year with an opt out gains the Rams nothing. Absolutely nothing.

In fact, it hurts their cap situation in the process.

It’s not gonna happen.

The way the CBA is written, teams have 3 franchise tags available whenever the contract ends. The CBA also expressly provides that teams and players cannot contract away the tags. Thus, I'm pretty sure that even if there was an opt out, the Rams would have franchise tags to use after the contract ends which presumably would be when he exercises the opt out option.

So the Rams would gain potentially having him for 6 years instead of 3 years.

Very interesting take, dz.

If true, though, wouldn’t it be reasonable to assume that AD’s agent would also be aware of it?

And how would such a scenario affect the agreed upon amount in AD’s first 3 years? Maybe inflate it even further, I’m afraid.

And, if so, why not just do the triple tag starting in ‘19 while maintaining maximum leverage and be done with haggling while the chips fall where they may?

I'm sure his agent is aware of it but there's nothing he can do b/c neither party has authority to ignore the CBA. And if they sign a 5 or 6 year deal, now you're looking at the Rams controlling him for up to 9 years. So a shorter contract would still help AD despite the tag options being there. (I don't know if AD is seeking a short contract, just discussing if he is...)

As far as structure, it doesn't have to inflate anything further or hurt the salary cap. It would only make sense if AD agrees to a lower guaranteed amount. For example:

Scenario 1: $138M / 6 years, $80M guaranteed, $23M annually
Scenario 2: $69M / 3 years, $40M guaranteed, $23M annually

If both scenarios were amortized evenly over the years, there would literally be no difference on the salary cap. It would be a $23M hit per year in both scenarios. There is a lot of flexibility to structure it differently depending on the parties' goals.

There is no question that doing the triple tags is the best way to go financially for the Rams. So why are they even talking extension? I can think of three reasons:

One is b/c the tags are paying Donald so much less than his market value that he possibly would refuse to play under the tag.
Two, they recognize he is so underpaid and they just want to do right by the player.
Three, they want him on the team for more than the next 3 years and they know that if they play the tag game, it's all but guaranteed that he's gone after that.

So, I keep coming back to the original question. Why wouldn’t AD just sign for his $22 million per for 5-6 years with the appropriate guarantees of $80-90 million and be done with it?

Is he willing to put up with the aggravation and take the injury risk this year for a mere extra million per year? If I’m his father I would advise him to take the money and guaranteed and run.

One answer could be that an offer for $22M isn't on the table. Right?

I just ran the numbers for 3 years of franchise tags.

'19 - $14M
'20 - $17.5M (2019 salary * 1.25)
'21 - $25.2 (2020 salary * 1.44)

Total is $56.7M over 3 years which breaks down to $18.9M per year.

Interestingly enough, that $18.9M is very close to my guess of the offer currently on the table of $19M. The Rams position could be that we can control you for the next 3 years at this amount but you'd have more guaranteed money than if we tagged you for 3 years.

It's one more data point for why I don't think the Rams are offering anything close to $22M per year with $80-$90M guaranteed. I've mentioned before, I suspect the difference between what AD is asking and the Rams are currently offering is possibly in the $6M range.

I seriously doubt any haggling is over a mere extra million or two per year.
SubjectAuthorViewsPosted

  2 pieces on Donald

zn944July 12, 2018 03:57AM

  plus some tweets

zn322July 12, 2018 04:45AM

  Re: DL has elite ranking in game and we lost

merlin211July 12, 2018 07:00AM

  false dichotomy

zn138July 12, 2018 08:13AM

  Re: false dichotomy

Steve83July 13, 2018 05:06AM

  Re: false dichotomy

zn76July 13, 2018 05:18AM

  Re: false dichotomy

Rampage2K-85July 13, 2018 09:48AM

  Re: false dichotomy

zn89July 13, 2018 10:24AM

  Re: false dichotomy

dzrams71July 13, 2018 08:37AM

  more tweets

zn147July 12, 2018 07:51PM

  and even more stuff

zn85July 16, 2018 05:37PM

  and still even more stuff

zn46July 20, 2018 07:29PM

  I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

jemach141July 12, 2018 04:56AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

zn111July 12, 2018 05:15AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

LMU93104July 12, 2018 05:40AM

  I Agree on guaranteed money...

jemach46July 13, 2018 03:45AM

  Re: IF AD is not worth the money.........

oldschoolramfan47July 14, 2018 05:48AM

  i posted well in advance of that poll...

jemach47July 13, 2018 03:47AM

  Re

zn51July 13, 2018 04:06AM

  I tend to be an early adopter...

jemach52July 16, 2018 01:19PM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

Ramsdude110July 12, 2018 06:31AM

  Re: I was always thinking Donald would be in the range of...

dzrams73July 12, 2018 10:08AM

  So you compare this team to last years team?

jemach48July 13, 2018 03:50AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-169July 12, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams122July 12, 2018 10:17AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

zn118July 12, 2018 10:34AM

  Re: We don't know the numbers but...

dzrams108July 12, 2018 10:45AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-81July 12, 2018 10:39AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams61July 12, 2018 11:42AM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-90July 12, 2018 12:44PM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

dzrams55July 12, 2018 01:23PM

  Re: We've gotten the GM's take already...

Rampage2K-48July 12, 2018 01:39PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram110July 12, 2018 10:35AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-77July 12, 2018 10:44AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams93July 12, 2018 11:46AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-56July 12, 2018 12:54PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams84July 12, 2018 01:06PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-57July 12, 2018 01:47PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn58July 12, 2018 02:13PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Rampage2K-53July 12, 2018 02:40PM

  no that's not the case

zn57July 12, 2018 02:52PM

  kind of like Watkins imo

Atlantic Ram54July 12, 2018 03:07PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams51July 12, 2018 05:09PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn59July 12, 2018 05:22PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram87July 12, 2018 07:57PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams60July 12, 2018 08:02PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram47July 12, 2018 10:17PM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn46July 13, 2018 08:08AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram51July 13, 2018 08:30AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams54July 13, 2018 08:48AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Atlantic Ram88July 13, 2018 09:24AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

Ramsdude98July 13, 2018 02:50AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

zn106July 13, 2018 04:26AM

  Re: #2 "agents take" haha

dzrams59July 12, 2018 05:27PM

  I would be surprised if less than $23M

Atlantic Ram83July 12, 2018 03:11PM

  +1 (NM)

zn48July 13, 2018 09:05AM

  Agree to a point.

RockRam79July 14, 2018 05:05AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

zn64July 14, 2018 05:36AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

VANRAM101July 16, 2018 01:27AM

  Re: Agree to a point.

Rams4350July 16, 2018 05:36AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams51July 16, 2018 07:31AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Rams4352July 16, 2018 07:49AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams56July 16, 2018 08:27AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Rams4353July 16, 2018 09:38AM

  Re: Actually it does...

Ramsdude50July 16, 2018 10:04AM

  Re: Actually it does...

dzrams45July 16, 2018 11:16AM

  4th reason

AlbaNY_Ram41July 17, 2018 05:55AM

  but at tag prices

zn55July 16, 2018 10:27AM

  Re: but at tag prices

Ken48July 16, 2018 12:12PM

  Not play under the tag? Of course he will.

RockRam49July 17, 2018 02:49AM

  nope

zn46July 17, 2018 04:29AM

  He IS signed! That's the point.

RockRam88July 17, 2018 02:40AM

  you're not following the conversation

zn79July 17, 2018 04:31AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

Rams4389July 17, 2018 05:43AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

Ken67July 17, 2018 08:41AM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

AlbaNY_Ram68July 17, 2018 03:15PM

  that's what they were going to do with Tru

zn74July 17, 2018 05:57PM

  Re: you're not following the conversation

dzrams50July 17, 2018 09:20AM

  as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

zn55July 17, 2018 09:29AM

  Re: as per our entire discussion of the trade scenario

Ramsdude80July 17, 2018 12:58PM

  So you're saying that $1.5 to $3.0 on a $20+ million contract...

jemach85July 16, 2018 01:29PM

  Re: So you're saying that $1.5 to $3.0 on a $20+ million contract...

zn70July 16, 2018 04:31PM

  At some time...this has to wear on a player psychologically...

jemach83July 17, 2018 09:07AM

  Re: At some time...this has to wear on a player psychologically...

Ramsdude81July 17, 2018 12:34PM

  I would say I feel better...

jemach51July 18, 2018 03:44AM

  Re: +++1

dzrams70July 18, 2018 06:44AM

  Re: +++1

Rams4369July 18, 2018 07:18AM

  Take the QBs out of it...

max60July 18, 2018 03:58AM