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I count only 2 worthy of being in the discussion, but I wouldn't argue if you pushed me and had to drop Robinson to #3. The reason I think Robinson pick is the worst is besides FIsher's coaching of the offense, I believe if Robinson pick had not been made and we had a different person running the offense, the Rams would have been a playoff team the last 3 years.
Jason Smith
Lawrence Phillips
are the only 2 in consideration. Who else would you consider that would be a worst value than Robinson?
When I say worst pick, I mean "Value" what you received with value for that pick.
Hill and Candidate picks not as bad. They all didn't play well but there is a big difference with being a top 5 pick and a later first round pick.
Candidate had a 5.7 yards per carry and netted a 2 players in a trade. a 4th rounder and another player.
I don't think teams would offer that for Robinson. Barron had similar play if not better play than Robinson but was picked much later. Not saying barron was good. He was bad too, but a much later pick.
I think that I've made my point, 81.
You should stop digging, man.
I don’t know 43. I don’t think 81 was that far off.
Surely you would agree that a failure at the #2 pick is much worse than a failure with a much later 1st round draft pick. Keep in mind, that that #2 pick in any given year could be traded for another teams entire draft. That’s the type of value it has.
Looking at 1st round picks since 1996, I see only Philips and Smith as comparable failures and that’s mostly because they were very early 1st round picks too.
Carriker (pick #13), Hill (#15), Barron (#19), Kennedy (#12), and Trung (#31) were all failures but weren’t even close in draft pick value. Historically, the success rate of non-top 10 picks is much lower than the hit rate of top 10 or top 5 picks.
So a fail on one of those is not nearly as bad.
I suppose it could be debated who is worse between GRob, Smith, and Philips.
Granted that the various degrees of "failure" among the 1st round picks is subjective, dz. Counting the exact pick spot, I mean.
But then, there are counterbalancing degrees of failure in play here, too.
Plus, that was not a top end QB draft that would command another team's entire draft, so I think that's a non sequitor.
Phillips, I believe, was a #6 overall. But he was an historic abject failure. Doesn't that more than offset a 3 year starting GRob that has flashed, albeit a disappointment? I think so.
Tye Hill was virtually useless. An epic fail.
Canidate another except for one very brief flash,
And on and on.
Like I said, it gets subjective. But I stand by my statement that there were 9 worse 1st rounders than GRob in the last 20 years.
Heck, I think GRob has started 42 out of 48 possible games so far. And his new OL coach might be able to turn him into a quality starter at either LOT or OG even yet.
Jury is out for me until season's end now that Kromer has been hired.
I think la made a great point the other day when he said that he thought that coach Beaudreau lost his fastball a couple of years ago. That entire OL took a step backward last year.
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