QuoteRams43 I am sure the ratings have gone further into the sewer. So it's hard to be too critical of Goff overall with this mess in front of him. The problem was the OTs. According to VB, the Rams thought NB and Allen were progressing. You can start 2 youngsters on the interior OL but not if both OTs regress. Under those conditions, no individual player looks good.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteHazlet Hacksaw Its just hard to separate what is him and what is the line - that's hard to do. I will go further than you. Once the OL collapses it is universally inevitable that the qb does too. There is no point in trying to separate the two things. One causes the other. I regularly name 2 exceptions. Brady and Wilson (for different reasons). But as I keep saying, even they can'tby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRe: I'm expecting a QB who is among the 3 highest paid QBs Goff got what he got because he got the going rate for a starting qb's 2nd contract in 2019. It means nothing more than that. These things are slotted. They have nothing to do with how much the qb is presumably "worth" as a player. Example: Wilson came up in 2015 and got 22 M, Carr came up in 2015 and got 25 M, Coby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotekw13 McVay gets too cute in the red zone, always running horizontal plays, not vertical. And trying to inch his way in from the 20, ala Fisher. I have long pointed out the Rams issues in the RZ But the "ex-coach" who may or may not have actually watched this year's Rams games, does not say too cute in the RZ. He meant in general, the whole offense. I say the guy hasn't waby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteSpeed_Kills somehow manages to make a few plays. somehow manages to do just enough good things to help his team compete Goff.... well you’ll see tonight ... it’s depressing And how was the Denvewr OL? I heard during the game about how it was giving him time. QuoteBrett Kollmann@BrettKollmann It's amazing what happens when an offense improves the offensive line... Last yby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteSpeed_Kills somehow manages to make a few plays. somehow manages to do just enough good things to help his team compete Goff.... well you’ll see tonight ... it’s depressing And how was the Denvewr OL? I heard during the game about how it was giving him time.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRam49 Ex Coach: "McVay Has Gotten Too Cute" That's a good article but the ex-coach part is superficial and wrong. Problem with ex-coaches is, they do not watch every single game of every single team. So when has he seen the Rams? The Rams offense has been cut back this year. Fewer jet sweeps, screens, and so on. So if anything, in REALITY, it has gotten LESS cute. ...by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamgator NO QB out there will perform well with same O line and play calling. NOW...If we see McVay go with a 2-3 TE offense, quick slants ...plays that allow Goff to get the ball away quickly...and he still plays like hell??? Then yeah, even I as die hard Goff fan will start wondering. A lot of it is playcalling too, yeah. But that too is hampered by a collapsed OL.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRams43 When the trio of max, zn, and dz get into it then it’s always entertaining. . Predicting our ‘20 OL starters before these final 7 games much less the FA and draft is a bit audacious. But interesting and fun, nonetheless. Here’s my best take based on current info... Boom will probably be our LOT. I think he’s our best candidate and should be healed by September. Edwards seemby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 at top of page I know where the PM box is gamo. I don't have one from you in it. Send again? Thanksby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteno name We simply cannot go into next year with that many question marks. This year proves it.i don't care what they have to do to sign a competent lineman that they can count on but they need at least one. Except next year the guys you say are question marks NOW, won't be.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteHe simply cannot not function without everything being perfect for him. It always surprises me when veteran football fans simply do not know how to factor in what a collapsed OL does to qb play. Instead of accounting for the collapse, they go to a hyperbolic extreme and say "he can't play without things being perfect." With all due respect to you as a Rams fan and fellowby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams Quotemax ...and Evans is a huge question mark. There is no evidence that Evans is a huge question mark given that they are on record as saying that their strategy was to draft Olinemen and let them develop for a year. The fact he hasn't played much means literally nothing. The plan wasn't even for Edwards to be pressed into immediate duty. That only happened due to injury.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotewaterfield Thanks for the link. But a lot of people don't have access to the LA Times. Access there expires quickly every month. So as a rule if someone wants to post a Times article, it's usually a good idea to provide the actual article and not just a link.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteFlorida_Ram I have several guestimations about the O-Line in 2020 but I can't even pretend to know who the starting 5 will end up being. There is 7 games left this season and we have a band aided group trying to get this 5-4 team into the playoffs. This board has always been forward thinking and I get it but it's such a guessing game that is predicated on message board armchair GM taby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax Edwards said himself that he’s a Guard, that’s his best position. I’ll bet he’s right. He ain’t playing LOT. I say at least 2 new starters, and quite possibly 3, who aren’t on the team right now. That was just talk. When Kromer first arrived Hav was at guard for a while too. When Hav comes back, Evans will no longer be a tackle, and he's suited for guard anyway. Edwards is a tacklby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax It’s a huge stretch to expect Noteboom to play LT coming off major knee surgery. Blythe is likely gone, Allen isn’t good enough. Edwards and Havenstein are most likely starters next year, and Evans is a huge question mark. I promise you, there will be at least 2 new starters next year that aren’t on the current roster, and at least one more New OL added to the roster. I don't exby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams I don't disagree with a word you say and yet I'll briefly explain why that's not good enough for me. It's a matter of degrees. Sure we expect performance to suffer when a QB loses the things you list. But I don't expect that performance to drop so precipitously to where statistically he's one of the worst starters in the league. Go compare Bulger's stats in 2006 toby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams I don't disagree with a word you say and yet I'll briefly explain why that's not good enough for me. It's a matter of degrees. Sure we expect performance to suffer when a QB loses the things you list. But I don't expect that performance to drop so precipitously to where statistically he's one of the worst starters in the league. Go compare Bulger's stats in 2006 to 2007.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteferragamo79 once again they are not getting snaps as they are hurt McVay is not stupid.....it didnt work this year - he's not gonna do it again next year OL is generally a very bad unit to exercise hasty judgments on. Which IMO is exactly what you're doing. Granted they did not look good initially but then they were playing on a line where both veterans OTs regressed. Which is the realby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax QuoteLMU93 I think Noteboom has the feet and athleticism of a LT much more so than a guard. And he clearly did not have the strength at LG that Saffold has- a big drop off there. I do think crushing it in the weight room the next 9 months would do a lot for both Noteboom and Allen. In the case of Allen I would still find an upgrade at center if they can and would be all for taking one inby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotekw13 My take on this subject is that a good QB, when the O'line is bad, can still make plays on the few plays when they actually do have time. The bad one's are ruined for the whole game and even when they finally do get some time are too flustered to find the open man, or miss him when he's open. Goff seems to be the latter. Even when he gets time now he's a mess. Warner maybe dby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamgator We had just finished the years of Steve Walsh and Tony Banks. The ONLY reason why Warner made us look good was because Harrison took out Trent Green's knee. Warner surprised the hell out of Rams Nation. Rams Nation was lucky that Warner was there. They were the only team that would sponsor KW in NFL Europe. When he came to Rams camp in 98, the OC Rhome did not want to keep him asby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax I would do backflips if the Rams would do what the Saints did last year, draft a Center in the middle of the 2nd round. NO took Erik McCoy, a 6’4” 310# monster who anchors their OL. PFF already has him rated as the 2nd best Center in the NFL. Why can’t our FO do that? We get our Centers either as rejects, overage injury risks, or lower round picks with plenty of warts. It’s so depby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotechico n da rams You're right, forgot Edwards, though the sample size is small on him. Some guys got it, or don't. He's got it, and can only get better.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteRamUK The list of QB's who lit it up for short periods is almost endless. Derek Carr, Matt Schaub, Matt Cassell, Derek Anderson, Robert Griffin and dare I say it, Marc Bulger spring to mind with zero effort.. Bulger was doing well in 2006 and then was crushed by the complete OL collapse of 2007. And 2008. And 2009. If need be I can go into detail and specify exactly what happened to theby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams Quotemax Evans was 3rd round. Right. So four guys, with half of them being new. Not a huge sample size. And definitely not enough to say Snead is not good at drafting linemen as I've seen posted. And besides, here's another reminder that it is NEVER *just* Snead. As has been said (and proven) many times, he's not an uberlord GM, he's a collaborative GM. So on OL picks he wouldby zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax Quotezn Quotemax Evans was 3rd round. I am betting Evans will be a "hit." That obviously means, at minimum, a repeat starter. Doesn't have to mean Aaron Donald. Don’t jinx him. Last guy you bet on was GRob. No. Last guys were Rapp and Edwards. B)by zn - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax Evans was 3rd round. I am betting Evans will be a "hit." That obviously means, at minimum, a repeat starter. Doesn't have to mean Aaron Donald.by zn - RamsFootballFans.com