Quotezn QuoteSpeed_Kills Although it is true that Wade has traditionally valued edge rushers I don’t like that AD is allowing himself to be used to reset the market Is it "re-setting"? In 2015 Suh's contract was 86% of the top qb's contract. In 2016 it was similar with Von Miller. In 2018, Von Miller's older deal, the highest for a defender, comes in at 63% of the top qbby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quoteoldschoolramfan Let's all get over the "TRADE AD" idea.................. AD is a STUD DL!!!! Quite possibly HOF !!!! You don't trade him....You NEGOTIATE a new contract and work it out where both parties are happy and ready to go play football. Just my thoughts.......Rams are on a roll, you don't want to put a "pot hole" in the way of this ride. Easy, oldschooby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotemax Well, Rams will have to pay Mack more than they are offering Donald. And it will either kill their CAP or the CAP argument was BS. Agree that they will have to pay Mack a kings ransom, max. But how much, do you think? Anyone? If Wade values Mack more, doesn't that imply that Mack would cost MORE to sign? So a guess... $25M. I think you’re right in theby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotejemach give up 2 #1's? Good luck on that. Not happening. The Rams may get a 1st and 3rd. Well, you kinda make my case for me, je. AD would be very difficult to trade. Plus, you didn’t mention the small matter that the acquiring team must also agree to pay AD his $25 million.by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 I have a logical question... If AD is such an All World talent, a certain future HOFer, a player that takes over games defensively, a generational talent, and on and on as some have claimed... Then will somebody please tell me why he wouldn’t fetch two 1sts in a trade? Heck, maybe a player or two, as well. I agree with the assessment of his talent, btw. I recentby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax Well, Rams will have to pay Mack more than they are offering Donald. And it will either kill their CAP or the CAP argument was BS. Agree that they will have to pay Mack a kings ransom, max. But how much, do you think? Anyone?by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Let’s think about that for a moment. Hmmmmm... Rams get a player at a position that Wade values more. Another former DPOY, I might add. And can maybe deal with a more reasonable agent. They can extend Suh for a few years to maintain a strong DL. Raiders get the reigning DPOY and one that they can at least communicate with. AD gets his $25 million, or whatever he wants. Could be a win-by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteEkern55 What team poised to make a deep run in the playoffs are the Rams going to trade him too? I assume that any trade talk happens after this season. But if I may use light sarcasm just for fun---yeah there are never 12 or more teams in the league each year poised to go into the playoffs, and even if there were, certainly none of them would be interested in the best defensivby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
I have a logical question... If AD is such an All World talent, a certain future HOFer, a player that takes over games defensively, a generational talent, and on and on as some have claimed... Then will somebody please tell me why he wouldn’t fetch two 1sts in a trade? Heck, maybe a player or two, as well. I agree with the assessment of his talent, btw.by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
“I see three scenarios: 1) Tag AD who is still demanding too much, Sign Suh, and let Joyner, Saffold, Hav, JB plus others go 2) Trade AD who is still demanding too much, Sign Suh, and retain some of Joyner, Saffold, Hav, JB plus others 3) Sign AD by coming up more, Don't sign Suh, and retain some of Joyner, Saffold, Hav, JB plus others” I think you’re overestimating the player loss in optby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Here’s Mackeyser... Extend Suh and trade AD for two 1sts next year? The Rams may have no choice. If AD simply refuses to play for anything other than QB money, it seems like he'd better ask LeBron about the housing options in Cleveland, cuz that's maybe the only team that can pay that kind of money for one position not being the QB. There are NO winning teams that are going to pay a DT/by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotemax Quotedzrams Well, that would be mutual cave. That's a fair possibility in all negotiations. The part that I'm really interested in of what you said is the bit that historically teams don't cave as much as players do. I've wanted to do research on this but haven't had the time. I'm not saying you're wrong because I honestly don't know but I wonder what you base that on? My gby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotechico n da rams A 21 mil offer would be overpaying. You cite Gurley (OPOY) as being a just figure because he's an RB. Fair enough. But you compare Donald to Miller (2 different positions) and apply your 3% rule. But Donald is (an excellent exceptional) DEFENSIVE TACKLE. The highest paid (using 2018 numbers) DT is Fletcher Cox, at 17.1 mil. No one disputes that Cox is not in Donald's leagueby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRockRam We've been down this road before. On the one hand you state that his market value is sky high, and could reasonably be beyond best Defensive player, because he is a generational talent and has no peer. Then you turn around and lump him in with generic "starters". Every team has at least 25 starters. Does every team have 25 Aaron Donaby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAtlantic Ram I wasn't expecting to be agreed with... I haven't had a lot of that. lol Whatever happens it will be interesting and probably something we will both remember. Nice to be able to discuss it rationally. Thanks 43! Always a pleasure, Atlantic!by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is not quite a bitby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams QuoteRockRam We've been down this road before. On the one hand you state that his market value is sky high, and could reasonably be beyond best Defensive player, because he is a generational talent and has no peer. Then you turn around and lump him in with generic "starters". Every team has at least 25 starters. Does every team have 25 Aaron Donalds? ONE AD? Decideby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
QuoteAtlantic Ram QuoteRams43 Rams can’t “make him play”, Atlantic. And you don’t believe that the Rams have any real leverage? Yup, we definitely disagree on this AD thing. Which is just fine. "Rams can't 'make him play', Atlantic"... I'm not sure I understand what you are saying there. Did you mean the Rams CAN make him play? Which I think supports your argument... Or are youby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is not quite a bit more. All other posiby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn QuoteRockRam Why would you think that the Rams would turn around and low ball Donald on that? There is no evidence at all that the Rams low ball or offer unreasonable structure, or low guarantees. In fact the opposite is the evidence. Gurley's is a relatively benign 15 M because even though he gets more than any other RB on a contract (as opposed to a tag) HE IS STILL A RUNNING Bby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is not quite a bit more. All other positions have gone up by aby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Here’s a zn quote excerpt... So it gets down to this logical thing...let's say they tag him in 2019 and since the tag is a clear lowball, so he sits out and demands a trade. He then counts against the cap whether he plays or not (I can give you the exact formula on how that works). Starters who demand trades get traded. Rams can't afford to have the cap hit, no player while getting nothing forby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotedzrams And assuming the reported $21M is accurate, I've stated since that report came out that it tells us nothing about the guaranteed money being offered. $21M per year is quite a bit more than Miller's deal but is the guaranteed money higher too? No one knows! 2 M more 3 years later is not quite a bit more. All other positions have gone up by a far higher percentage siby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
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QuoteSpeed_Kills Are you ready to go there? Get a nice edge rusher or two and a boat load of picks You know the Skins and Cowboys would do it for Donald I just don’t think that trading AD is even feasible, Speed. For the reasons we’ve been discussing. But even if it were feasible, I doubt that the Rams would be inclined. They LOVE their AD and want him to retire as a Ram, if possible.by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams Quoteno name Just bring Hankins in for a visit. See how he likes that feeling? I have no idea how he would take it, but if I were him, I'd laugh and laugh. :ROTF Your bluff has to at least be credible. Hankins and AD aren't in the same universe of what they provide. Besides, the Rams don't need it anyway. Suh is the best substitute in the league for AD. Yup. Suh is just morby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotedzrams QuoteRams43 While we don’t know exact numbers, we do know at least 2 things. The Rams quickly extended both Cooks and Gurley to VERY fair contracts without fanfare. Emphasis quickly. And we know that the Rams have repeatedly publicly stated that they want to make AD the highest paid defender in league history. That means a minimum of $20 million per, (and I suspect that theirby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Rams can’t “make him play”, Atlantic. And you don’t believe that the Rams have any real leverage? Yup, we definitely disagree on this AD thing. Which is just fine.by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Well, the guy DID get in some funny lines. I’ll give him that. But this piece is cringeworthy given our hindsight, Sure wouldn’t want this potty mouth picking MY stocks! Lol.by Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com
Quotezn Quotemax I get that he could force a trade (next year at the earliest). But it seems weird that someone else would pay him significantly more than the Rams plus give the Rams compensation. Remember my formula for this discussion. UNLESS WE ACTUALLY KNOW NUMBERS, we don't really know anything, and in the absence of knowing anything, it is possible to turn every "Donald's the prby Rams43 - RamsFootballFans.com