and again... I'm not saying this well at all... he was NOT kissing my butt. He was a football fan.. knew the game well. Believe me... I don't get into long conversation with those who are not objective about things... I do not mind some bias, hell, I expect it.. you're not a real fan if you don't have some bias. The guy was quoting stats to me for Stafford, Kupp, others, in relationship to other players from other teams.. he knew his stuff. It was a very good conversation.