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Re: Pet Peeve: There's "magic" and then there's magic.

September 08, 2016 07:09AM
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~lyser
Not pulling your leg.

My inquiry was if you could rule out stooge work (I absolutely assure you nothing was pre-arranged with the judges), would that change your opinion?

Nothing you have pointed out requires the mentalist to pre-arrange anything with the judges. The AGT format is challenging though because volunteers can not be randomly selected (by say, throwing a ball(s) out into the audience), the performer must use the judges.

If YOU were the volunteer and you KNEW for a FACT that nothing was pre-arranged, I assume you would be pretty astounded? That is how the judges felt and the reason these performers moved on and why my boy Oz did so well last year (shoulda won).

Mentalism is ASTOUNDING when performed correctly.

Again, I see it as physically and logically impossible to read minds. And that's the only way to get that kind of specificity and exactitude for those tricks. It's different, if they can use clever "tells" from their subjects to piece things together and make a good guess. But that's not what they did. And it's different if the language involved allows for enough wiggle room - like "prophecies" from Nostradamus -- to make it work. There was no attempt to do that, and no time to go through that process. No series of questions was asked to get closer to the target, to gauge body language, etc. etc. It was all very quickly done.

Anyway, you may see me as being stubborn about this. But I just see it as a matter of science. They can't do what they did without pre-arranged help. And it would take a ton of first-hand proof for me to change my mind about that. Basically, a peer-reviewed, double-blind experiment to back it up . . . . and a video record of any interactions between the mentalists and the judges, staff, etc. etc.
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  Pet Peeve: There's "magic" and then there's magic.

Billy_T774September 08, 2016 03:41AM

  Re: Pet Peeve: There's "magic" and then there's magic.

~lyser540September 08, 2016 04:43AM

  Re: Pet Peeve: There's "magic" and then there's magic.

Billy_T483September 08, 2016 05:38AM

  Re: Pet Peeve: There's "magic" and then there's magic.

~lyser523September 08, 2016 06:05AM

  Re: Pet Peeve: There's "magic" and then there's magic.

Billy_T551September 08, 2016 07:09AM

  Re: Pet Peeve: There's "magic" and then there's magic.

~lyser509September 08, 2016 07:41AM

  I would be impressed..

sstrams499September 08, 2016 07:48AM

  Re: I would be impressed..

~lyser466September 08, 2016 10:15AM

  Good to see you, too, ~lyser!

sstrams517September 08, 2016 11:22AM

  Re: Pet Peeve: There's "magic" and then there's magic.

Billy_T490September 08, 2016 08:20AM

  Always good to see you

LesBaker525September 08, 2016 09:06AM

  Re: Always good to see you

~lyser496September 08, 2016 10:16AM

  Why yes I am

LesBaker504September 08, 2016 12:39PM

  Another angle on this: I call it the JJ Abrams effect.

Billy_T582September 08, 2016 08:31AM

  Re: Another angle on this: I call it the JJ Abrams effect.

~lyser574September 08, 2016 10:13AM

  Re: Thanks, Lyser

Billy_T510September 08, 2016 04:40PM

  Hmmm, well....

JamesJM533September 08, 2016 10:34AM

  Re: A belated redirection.

Billy_T506September 08, 2016 04:35PM