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December 01, 2019 07:05PM
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That's the ratings of career backups.

No. Career back-ups do not come through consistenly against anyone. Let alone either behind subpar OLs or against top ranked Ds. Conversely, most starters with rare exceptions fall apart when they have to play behind subpar and or broken OLs.

. No where did I say that career backups were consistent. So not sure what you're disagreeing with.

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You said that low numbers behind a subpar OL against a top D = career backup. I recognize the 55 number because it's mine...I got that one from looking at games where the Rams collapsing OL in the 2nd half of 2018 put the team in harm's way. The whole point of that number was to reveal what tough defensive fronts and top defensive games did against an OL that was fading. That's the OL where Sullivan was wearing down and both Blythe and Hav were exposed.

And no, career backups do not just fail to come through under those conditions.That actually defines a lot of starting caliber qbs too. Career backups fall apart even in decent conditions behind solid and/or relatively healthy OLs. That is they cannot consistently win under better conditions. Want some names? Foles, Keenum, Bortles, Jamie Martin, Fitzpatrick....That is what MAKES THEM career back-ups (some of whom, in a qb starved league, did get starting gigs at certain points, like Keenum and Foles).

If you want to claim that Goff is that caliber of qb, feel free. I don;t think it will stand up though. And I mean that across the coming seasons that claim (if anyone made it) would not (I believe) stand up as a judgment.

And btw, using just the example of 2017, here are some of the qbs who, according to Football Outsiders, did not rank above 25 when facing pressure: Brees, Carr, Stafford, Watson. Rodgers is 20th. Top 10 guys include Keenum (who is #1), Mariota, Eli, Cutler, Hoyer, and Tyrod Taylor. All of those guys I just listed in the top 10 are ranked higher than guys like Roethlisberger, Ryan, Wentz, and Wilson.



Edited 1 time(s). Last edit at 12/01/2019 07:07PM by zn.
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  Where are all the Goff haters

stlrams131137December 01, 2019 02:54PM

  No need to taunt others....nm

73Ram250December 01, 2019 02:55PM

  Re: No need to taunt others....nm

stlrams13291December 01, 2019 03:11PM

  How about this post?

JimYoungblood53568December 01, 2019 03:14PM

  Re: How about this post?

stlrams13309December 01, 2019 03:18PM

  What if

JimYoungblood53305December 01, 2019 03:21PM

  Re: What if

stlrams13300December 01, 2019 03:37PM

  so when everything is perfect for him, he is good?

Deadpool252December 01, 2019 03:29PM

  Re: so when everything is perfect for him, he is good?

Classicalwit215December 01, 2019 03:47PM

  when everything is perfect for him, he is good? Really Dpool?

Anonymous User251December 01, 2019 04:48PM

  Well I'll be damned...

JamesJM256December 01, 2019 04:51PM

  yeah, I agree

Deadpool414December 01, 2019 05:17PM

  Re: when everything is perfect for him, he is good? Really Dpool?

Ekern55207December 01, 2019 06:04PM

  Re: so when everything is perfect for him, he is good?

Payote75214December 01, 2019 06:52PM

  Re: How about this post?

Ekern55351December 01, 2019 03:59PM

  He was excellent

JimYoungblood53224December 01, 2019 04:26PM

  Re: No need to taunt others....nm

napoli213December 01, 2019 06:32PM

  LOL....welllll.....

Ram49273December 01, 2019 02:56PM

  Re: LOL....welllll.....

73Ram234December 01, 2019 02:57PM

  Re: LOL....welllll.....

Rams43232December 01, 2019 02:58PM

  Re: LOL....welllll.....

73Ram232December 01, 2019 03:02PM

  Re: Where are all the Goff haters

CraigMatson232December 01, 2019 02:56PM

  Re: Where are all the Goff haters

chico n da rams240December 01, 2019 02:59PM

  Re: Where are all the Goff haters

Rams43264December 01, 2019 03:07PM

  Don't wake them up!!!

mexram538December 01, 2019 03:02PM

  Re: Don't wake them up!!!

Classicalwit490December 01, 2019 03:22PM

  Not sure anyone hates Goff

JimYoungblood53440December 01, 2019 03:03PM

  Re: No need to be condescending and disrespectful...

dzrams256December 01, 2019 03:17PM

  We won't know on Tom Brady will we

Rams_81217December 01, 2019 03:21PM

  Re: We won't know on Tom Brady will we

dzrams302December 01, 2019 03:32PM

  Re: We won't know on Tom Brady will we

zn238December 01, 2019 05:16PM

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dzrams371December 01, 2019 05:32PM

  Re: We won't know on Tom Brady will we

zn340December 01, 2019 06:04PM

  Re: No need to be condescending and disrespectful...

Rams43261December 01, 2019 03:22PM

  The hate of Goff and McVay was puzzling

Rams_81267December 01, 2019 03:20PM

  Re: Where are all the Goff haters

Classicalwit264December 01, 2019 03:20PM

  Re: Where are all the Goff haters

dzrams233December 01, 2019 03:37PM

  Re: Where are all the Goff haters

Classicalwit196December 01, 2019 04:04PM

  They'll be back next week

IowaRam349December 01, 2019 03:22PM

  I am even less excited about Goffs future today then yesterday

Deadpool252December 01, 2019 03:26PM

  Re: I am even less excited about Goffs future today then yesterday

stlrams13311December 01, 2019 03:40PM

  I loved that he moved around today

Deadpool279December 01, 2019 03:42PM

  Re: I loved that he moved around today

stlrams13338December 01, 2019 03:46PM

  yeah, but you said you feel worse after this game

max238December 01, 2019 04:34PM

  I feel worse only because I don't think he can repeat this performance

Deadpool228December 01, 2019 05:36PM

  Re: I feel worse only because I don't think he can repeat this performance

max201December 01, 2019 05:43PM

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dzrams232December 01, 2019 05:47PM

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zn219December 01, 2019 06:24PM

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zn183December 01, 2019 07:05PM

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dzrams470December 01, 2019 07:31PM

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zn176December 01, 2019 09:14PM

  Re: Where are all the Goff haters

Ramkind275December 01, 2019 04:02PM

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six2stack208December 01, 2019 04:20PM

  Re: I guess you're talking to me?

spagsbacker195December 01, 2019 04:31PM

  I repeat my point

NewMexicoRam320December 01, 2019 04:37PM

  Re: Goff’s performance today wasn’t shocking

Speed_Kills278December 01, 2019 04:45PM

  Re: Right...

dzrams353December 01, 2019 04:56PM

  Re: Based on how well Murray

Speed_Kills259December 01, 2019 05:02PM

  would you not think there is a tendency that

Rams_81201December 01, 2019 05:10PM

  Re: no that’s your thing

Speed_Kills227December 01, 2019 05:18PM

  there is no agenda just facts

Rams_81239December 01, 2019 05:54PM

  Re: would you not think there is a tendency that

dzrams212December 01, 2019 05:42PM

  Re: Where are all the Goff haters

Ekern55281December 01, 2019 06:53PM

  Amazing

waterfield380December 01, 2019 07:23PM