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Re: Nah...if Everett is bad gotta pin it on Snead....

September 12, 2018 08:38AM
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Totally agree.

I think what happened here is that Snead deferred to McVay in that first draft. Let McVay have his pet guy.

I wonder what the scouts thought.

The big thing for me was Everett was overdrafted. No need to reach for him in the 2nd round. He wasn’t good value as say JuJu.

I don't think we should start doing the whole who do we blame thing between Snead and McVay. We know that they collaborate.

In Everett's case, they had a entire article last year of the process of how he was drafted. Snead had actually found Everett the year before and presented him to McVay as a perfect fit for what he was looking for.

I don't see how we can pin this on McVay needing his pet guy or a rookie mistake. IF someone between the two had to be at fault, it's Snead.

McVay didn't need a certain guy; McVay needed a TE and he wanted one early. The fact that the TE's name is Everett is because that's who Snead found and who McVay signed off on. There is absolutely no evidence of Snead deferring at all.

I think he went in the 2nd round because he was a McVay favorite.

In the beginning of the process McV may have just needed a TE but I think as it got closer to the day, he got fixed on Everett.

Collaboration often means the coach gets his way if he's adamant. So for example we know that Boudreau was banging the drum for Robinson. That's natural to a process where the GM defines himself as finding what the coaches want. That doesn't exempt Snead from any "blame" but it's built into the process, particularly in the higher rounds.

So Snead is absolutely part of the "blame and praise" equation and had been all along but in a system like that, coaches can get amped on a guy.

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I don't have a lot of disagreement with your stance. Your general rules of how the collaborative process works sounds about right to me. Thus, it's possible that McVay got fixated on Everett and got his way.

But...we don't know that and there's not really any solid evidence indicating that's what happened. My stance isn't so much different than yours. I think McVay got fixated to be sure...on drafting a TE early. I feel he wanted premium TE talent but not necessarily Everett. I think they would have drafted Engram if he fell.

After Engram went, there was not a lot of TE value in the 2nd round. I'd be more inclined to believe it had to be Everett if there were a wide selection of other TE's that had 2nd round value on them. As it is from what I recall, the projected value after Howard/Engram/Everett was 3rd round and Everett was a bit of a reach himself with a consensus projected value of bottom of the 2nd round or very early 3rd.
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  I think Everett was a mistake

max616September 12, 2018 03:30AM

  Iowa vs south alabama

PHDram310September 12, 2018 03:44AM

  Re: I think Everett was a mistake

JoeMad353September 12, 2018 03:49AM

  Ok...you're right...

jemach354September 12, 2018 04:02AM

  Re: Ok...you're right...

GroundPounder278September 12, 2018 04:36AM

  Re: Ok...you're right...

max202September 12, 2018 04:40AM

  Re: Nah...if Everett is bad gotta pin it on Snead....

dzrams160September 12, 2018 07:59AM

  Re: Nah...if Everett is bad gotta pin it on Snead....

zn233September 12, 2018 08:11AM

  Completely agree with you

max123September 12, 2018 08:21AM

  Re: But this I blame on Snead...

dzrams109September 12, 2018 08:47AM

  Re: Nah...if Everett is bad gotta pin it on Snead....

dzrams143September 12, 2018 08:38AM

  I dunno...I think Everett is a better than the Raider's TE Cook

SunTzu_vs_Camus193September 12, 2018 04:47AM

  Yup. Its the mental aspect of the game.

max119September 12, 2018 07:27AM

  Re: I think Everett was a mistake--yes

Steve219September 12, 2018 04:40AM

  The thing I see with Garoppolo

max367September 12, 2018 05:05AM

  Re: The thing I see with Garoppolo

bigjimram21156September 12, 2018 06:24AM

  Keep in mind...

max138September 12, 2018 06:29AM

  Re: said all along was a reach.....

spagsbacker244September 12, 2018 06:57AM

  Re: I'm gonna wait nm

Speed_Kills87September 12, 2018 07:00AM

  Thats ok, but history shows waiting usually means disappointment

max184September 12, 2018 07:23AM

  Re: Thats ok, but history shows waiting usually means disappointment

zn116September 12, 2018 09:22AM

  Re: I think Everett was a mistake

David Deacon237September 12, 2018 07:18AM